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Isio Knows Better: The Arguments & Fallacies Surrounding Religion

Isio De-laVega

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It happened on an evening of ’95, just after dinner in my boarding school. It was the first time, I was witnessing a very heated debate between three Christians and an atheist. The classroom was empty – save for us. We were all in JSS2.

And so I sat, as close as I could, but far enough away should fierce argument give way to frustrated blows. I sat with my face cupped between my palms and I watched, and I listened to both sides.

“Why would anyone in their right mind choose to argue with Isaiah? Much easier to state your case and move on…” I thought.

Isaiah was the atheist – born to Christian parents before he chose atheism. That wasn’t the most unfortunate thing in this case though. The real tragedy (for the sensitive evangelists) who had gone to challenge Isaiah with the ‘Word of God’ was that Isaiah was one of those rare breeds of humans who (quite frankly) had such a high IQ they ought to be banned from school made everyone else look bad. He dusted everyone in everything. Maths, Physics, Language, Social Studies… EVERYTHING. Mr be getting 99/100 while the second best gets 64/100. Yep, he was one of those. He made you look stupid, without even trying.

And so, they argued and raged. Scripture after scripture the Christians threw at Isaiah – impressing the “sin” of atheism and his everlasting burn in hell-fire for “disobeying God”. And without breaking a sweat Isaiah annihilated every argument with logic and science. For good measure, he raised questions about God – and creation through Adam and Eve like who did Kain and Abel gbensh to populate the earth since their parents were the first humans – that the Christians could not answer.

The Christians became angry. It became… less intellectual and more emotional. They became defensive. Soon it became less a debate than it was a spectacle of three shouting over an atheist. God said this, God said that… So, why are you still bearing Isaiah? Leave our Christian name na, devil worshipper… And Isaiah was seated there, still trying to win with logic.

Ah… the many arguments about religion.

Who is the final authority on what God really, really wants?

You see, I didn’t realize until I was older what a unique perspective my parents (and the school they sent me to) gave me. My mother (heaven bless her beating heart) is a staunch Christian, while my late father (God rest his soul) was agnostic.
What’s the difference between an agnostic and an atheist? Well, according to the philosopher William L. Rowe: “An agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of God, while a theist believes that God exists, an atheist disbelieves in God”.

Anyways, my father was not an atheist, he was agnostic. He never interfered with our religion (yep, we all took after our mother). A typical Sunday in our home was us (myself, my siblings and mom) dressed in our Sunday Best, while daddy sat at his favourite spot in the compound with his glasses perched at his nose as he read his newspaper. As we digwe-d to him as we walked by him on our way to church, he said only, “bye-bye.” He didn’t stop us, never interfered, and never ever tried to “convert” us to his belief. Just be home safe.

And it went beyond that. We were all sent to a non-religious school (for me 1988-2000; Mayflower, in the era of Tai Solarin) that welcomed all students (the religious, the irreligious and even traditional worshippers kpaa-kpaa like the Sango/Oduduwa/Aiyelala worshippers) as long as they understood that their faith was a personal matter never to be forced upon, nor used to discriminate against another. As such, public religious gatherings and senrenre were expressly forbidden. Once caught breaking this golden rule – express expulsion. Dem fit return the balance of your school fees sef. So, yes… had the atheist and the Christians been caught bickering loudly because of religion, they would all have been sent packing.

Religion itself wasn’t forbidden in my school. It was okay to believe in something. But because it was such a melting-pot of religions, we learnt to live with one another and had a lot to learn from each other. Those of us who believed in something sometimes found ourselves sharing, comparing… while sometimes different sects would challenge themselves (often in the hostels… far away from the school compound) on the facts and fallacies of their faiths.

Choi. See arguments. Most unforgettable are:

  • Mohammed versus Jesus (Muslims versus Christians)
  • Jesus is not God. (Christians versus Christians). Somehow, they found the concept of Trinity hard to swallow.
  • Is Islam a religion of peace? (Muslims versus everyone else) Very brutal argument
  • Where Did God come from?
  • Catholicism is more paganistic than Christian (Catholics versus other Christians)
  • Pentecostals care more about “prosperity” than Christ (Pentecostals versus Catholics.)
  • Sufism is not real Islam, Sunni is (Muslim versus Muslim)
  • Cele, Hmmmmmmn … (Everyone versus Cele worshippers *insert side-eyes chewing my carrot*)
  • There no hell-fire, heaven or God (Atheists versus Christians and the Religious)
  • So, are you saying our ancestors, who never heard of Christ before the missionaries came will all burn in hell? (Christians versus free-thinkers).
  • Jesus and Mary Magdalene? Were they lovers? (Christians versus trouble-makers) *insert-chuckle*.
  • The Bible was written by man, not God (Everyone versus Christians) Choi… see beta argument that day. Eyes were hot!
  • “Abrahamic” religious people are highly hypocritical. (Free-thinkers, traditional worshippers versus Christians and Muslims).

Jeez…

Even after all these years, it goes on and on and on. So many arguments about religion. And everyone believes that they are RIGHT. Indeed, they HAVE to make you understand just how RIGHT they are. Never, in my life, have I seen so many people willing to tear another apart just to be the only ones who are RIGHT.

At the end of the day, it is only God that knows who is serving Him. He created us all, and allows the agnostics, the theists and the atheists to thrive. As a religious person, do atheists and others of different religious beliefs bother you? Why, please share? Also, what are the most interesting arguments about God/religion you’ve ever heard/debated on? Please also share. Most importantly, what are the fallacies about God you believe re-reinforce segregation, create crisis, violence, killing and war?

Here are mine, perfectly articulated by N.D. Walsh in his book, The New Revelations; A Conversation with God… In summary, they are:

First, it is the idea that God is so impotent that He needs something to be Himself. Second, the idea that God can fail to get what He needs. Third, the idea that God has separated you (His creation) from Him because you have not given Him what He needs. Fourth, the idea that God still needs what He needs so badly that God now requires you, from your separated position, to give it to Him – or else… Fifth, the idea that God will destroy you if you do not meet His requirements.

Have a truly wonderful Tuesday my lovelies, kisses to you all!

Ps* Aderonke, Davida and Pablo, thank you for last week.

Isio De-laVega Wanogho is a Nigerian supermodel, a multi-award winning media personality and an interior architect who is a creative-expressionist at her core. She uses words, wit and her paintings to tell stories that entertain, yet convey a deeper meaning. Follow her on Instagram @isiodelavega and visit her website: http://www.idds.pro to see her professional body of work.

153 Comments

  1. bruno FIERCE

    July 7, 2015 at 9:28 am

    isio, this isiah boy sounds like me, the only difference is, I failed and kept on failing maths gracefully.

    I have asked u christains countless times, how do u know the bible is the word of god. just give us one evidence that shows the bible is the word of God

    my second question
    who wrote the bible. if u say the “holy spirit” I will give u a powerful slapin ur ignorant face.

    third question
    how did the bible and christainity get into nigeria.

    “only a fool says there’s no god”
    LOOOOOOOL.
    only a fool says there’s a God-bruno fierce

    • FasholasLover

      July 7, 2015 at 10:40 am

      Bruno, it is inconsequential whether you believe in God or not so long as your conscience allows you sleep well at night. I believe in a God who though, do not possess a physical presence here on earth, directs the affairs of men.
      And l also believe because he created us humans in his own image, there is a God in all of us. Hence the saying, “God will not come down from heaven to help but, does so through men on earth” When you go against the law of nature, you reap punishment which is Karma. So, if that is not God at work, then OYO is your case.

    • charis

      July 7, 2015 at 11:52 am

      Bruno, this doesn’t prove God doesn’t exist. It just tries to prove the Bible is a fraud. Even though you successfully prove that, you still need to prove God doesn’t exist. Why? Because God ipso facto can exist independently book or not. Empirically, metaphysically and otherwise atheist only succeed in trying to debunk the beliefs of theist, however when they try postulating their own ideas on the existence of “life on earth”,they fail woefully.
      The big bang theory, evolution… all these are flawed. IMO if you cannot give a better and more plausible reason as to how there’s life on earth. Leave others to their ‘flawed’ beliefs… BTW many scientist have come to realise that there is more to life than meets the eye.

    • Hawt Stuff

      July 7, 2015 at 12:07 pm

      Bruno “duh” the answer to question no. 3 is in the history of Nigeria. Google

    • TA

      July 7, 2015 at 12:55 pm

      @ Bruno fierce if you are genuinely, (hoping you are not being cynical) about evidence that the bible is from God. I can give you hundreds. Hope you are ready? 🙂 It is going to be a long read.
      Here goes:

      1. The bible has countless prophecies that all came to pass as buttressed by History books that are not written by Christians, that shows that a man or humans could not have simply made up the prophecies. One of such prophecies is the fall of Babylon. History books (you can easily google Babylon). 200 years before the city fell, the bible prophesied it in Isaiah 44:27-45:2 that the city would not only be destroyed but even gave the name of the king that would do it. A Persian king named Cyrus! All of this even before Cyrus was born. And Babylon was destroyed exactly the way God had predicted in the bible, without a fight and the city was razed to the ground and just like the bible also predicted that Babylon would never be inhabited. it has happened just that way, down to this day not one person lives in the place where Babylon used to be which is now about 80 kilometres south of Baghdad,Iraq.
      And it will interest you to know that Saddam Hussein of Iraq, tried to rebuild the city cue the hanging gardens of Babylon (just to discredit the bible) but guess what? he didn’t even succeed in laying one single block/brick there before he was killed. You don’t have to believe me. Just look it up. 🙂 And that is one of the countless prophecies recorded in the bible that have actually taken place. I used Babylon because it is verifiable independently of the bible.

      2. Who wrote the bible? Let me use an example. Let us say you are a businessman. You want to write to Company ABC. You tell your secretary,please write so and so. The secretary does as instructed. You look at the letter,then sign and it is sent to company ABC. If you work with company ABC and you receive the letter. Who would you say wrote it? Secretary or boss? Of course the boss. Remember the secretary did not act on her own volition. She was instructed and told exactly what to write. Same with the bible, God told prophets (via messages, visions etc) to write down His thoughts and they did exactly that. A valid question is How do we know the bible has not been altered?
      Well, the author of the bible is not a human, he is most powerful Being in the universe. He made sure it was preserved and passed down till today. No other book is as translated or popular as the bible despite some human attempts to destroy the book. In the 15th century or so (not so sure,) William Tyndale started translating the bible into English. Recall that the bible was originally written in Hebrew,Aramaic and Greek. Several attempts were made to stop it but they all failed! Read up John Wycliffe, William Tyndale and several others I cant remember where all part of those involved in translating the bible into other languages and God blessed their efforts (they were used by Him in the first place anyway). Today anyone anywhere in the world can read the bible in their language. And just so you know, the bible was written over 1,600 years. Which means that several of the bible writers NEVER met each other or even lived in the same place or practiced the same profession. But what they wrote is in complete harmony!

      3. How did the bible and Christianity get into Nigeria?

      The bible was brought into Nigeria by early christian missionaries. (Can’t remember the exact year, I nor wan google o, I have a meeting to attend shortly lol) Unfortunately, some of those early christians in Nigeria did some not so nice things but not all of them. Does that discredit the few good ones? To compare, some parents do their best to raise good kids. Some turn out well, others don’t. Who do you blame,the parents or the adult children who are full responsible for their actions?
      Another example that shows the bible is from God is the flood story. Almost all folklores around the world, allude to the fact that there was a great flood. Besides, archaeologists have uncovered several scrolls from ruins of ancient cities that vividly describe parallel history accounts in the bible. These scrolls are by historians who are not even believers in Christ.

      PS: Isio,In your article you wondered how Cain got his wife. Well, remember that Adam and Eve had other kids besides Cain and Abel? please read Genesis 5:3 & 4. so it is obvious that Cain married one of his female relatives.

      @ Bruno fierce and other atheists/humanists/agnostics etc. Belief in God is not some unreasonable, emotional crutch. Far from it, there is evidence that there is a Creator. Think about the sun, moon stars, birds, flowers etc. Who created all these things? No they did not come about by evolution. Nothing can exist all by itself. The evidence shows a super intelligent mind at work. Most of the things designed by engineers, Airplanes, cameras etc all mimic designs occurring in nature. Please read the book Bio-mimicry -Innovation inspired by nature. If you saw a super fast car like a Lamborghini, would you conclude that that masterpiece of design came by itself? If a car that is a non-living thing did not come about by chance, how can a living human designed in the most awesome way come about by chance? It is just like saying Bella Naija happens all by itself, no graphic artists, content writers, editors, etc at work? What would you call a person who makes such an assertion? So why do some evolutionists insist that the earth came about by chance. let me quote a certain professor ” I find that most believers of evolution are believers because they have been told that that all intelligent people are believers’ Imagine that!
      Bruno et all, please feel free to ask me questions, will get back to it when I return to this page. I have a crucial meeting at work. I don’t have all the answers, just like you have no clue how all the organs and cells in your body work but that does not mean you are not a real human Nice day guys. 🙂

    • TA

      July 7, 2015 at 1:01 pm

      Oh! so many typos in my first response. Sorry guys

    • glowwy

      July 7, 2015 at 1:32 pm

      @TA So you are my brother? *Shines teeth*

    • charis

      July 7, 2015 at 1:37 pm

      @ TA, Whoever you are, I love you!

    • Modesty

      July 7, 2015 at 2:44 pm

      Hmmmmmmmm……@TA I just Love you

    • Aigbi

      July 7, 2015 at 3:32 pm

      With regards to your statement that Babylon was razed down to the ground just as God had planned, I hope you are aware that in 539 bce after the Cyrus the great had defeated the Babylonian empire, the city-state flourished under his rule as a centre of art and education. Babylon was also made the administrative capital of the Persian empire. The city was revered for its mathematicains, astronomists and cosmologists and it is believed that the first western philiosopher Thales of Miletus studied there. After the fall of the Persian empire to Alexander the Great in 331 bce, great steps were taken to restore the city but Alexander.

      The city still existed, though as ruin after the death of Alexander and the rise of the Parthian empire in 141 bc and there was even a short revival of the city carried out by the Sassanid Persians but the city of Babylon never achieved its past glory. By 650 ce, Muslim armies had conquered much of Mesopotamia and whatever was left of the ancient city of Babylon. By the 17 and 18 century CE, European scholar began exploring the region based on tales in the bible.

      I’m just pointing this error out and this has nothing to do with if christianity, islam, zoroastrianism or judaism is the true religion, nor does it have to do with your faith.

    • chee

      July 7, 2015 at 3:49 pm

      @ TA, thanks for taking out time to give a witness…..will u count d……u know wat I mean,Cyberhugs @ glowy and TA

    • chichi

      July 7, 2015 at 4:14 pm

      @TA, girl, you’ve just given the householders a lot to mull over. Thanks sis.
      Bruno fierce (how orignal!) doesnt strike me as someone who genuinely wants to know about Jehovah and his word the bible. All he wants is attention. I hope he proves me wrong and is gracious and bold enough to reason with you cos that is one sick comment.
      Bruno oooo, if you REALLY want to know more about our heavenly father and proof that the bible is authentic, tells us and we can have a conversation. AN ACTUAL CONVERSATION not rants about who is foolish and who isnt.
      Hi Glowwy and chee..my ppl are here 🙂

    • natu

      July 7, 2015 at 4:15 pm

      But I thought the bible was against incest. Elaborate please.

    • TA

      July 7, 2015 at 7:11 pm

      @ Aigbi , err sorry of but I’m not sure which history book you are quoting because the ones I have read e.g ‘Mesopotamian Astrology’states that the powerful city of Babylon ceased to exist after 539 BCE after it was destroyed by medo-Persian army. The prominent Greek historians Herodotus and Xenophon independently confirm this.

    • C'est moi

      July 7, 2015 at 7:14 pm

      @TA
      Nothing can exist all by itself. The evidence shows a super intelligent mind at work.

      You end up with a circular argument when you say nothing can exist by itself – if nothing can, then god must also have been created! (Indeed he was by mankind). If you then say god is the first mover / cause you are confirming what you said can’t be so….something existing all by itself. And if you insist god can & did. by the same reasoning one can the Big Bang singularity came into existence all by itself.

      The evidence may show the appearance of intelligent design but you can’t jump from that to say it must be a theistic god. Using your car analogy, though it shows design, you can’t from observation conclude it was a single designer. We know it takes a team of all sorts to put a car together. Likewise intelligence in nature could be the work of a team of gods.

      Again looking at intelligent design, ID the octopus has far superior eyesight to humans, the human eye compared to some animals is poorly constructed, has a blind spot, does god care more the eyes of octopuses than man to create us with such a flaw and not the octopus or barn owl? Surely evolution offers a more probable explanation in that the eyes of the octopus and owl evolved that way in order to have a better change of survival.

      The female clitoris serves no purpose other than to give sexual pleasure yet for 75% of women it is defunct during penetrative sex. Evolution agains offers a reasonable explanation but ID leads to a bad engineering.

    • missnk

      July 7, 2015 at 8:55 pm

      this just makes me remember how I used to seriously defend this as a jehovah’s witness before I realised how sham the religion was. Glad I’m free of that now.

    • Bobosteke & Lara Bian

      July 7, 2015 at 9:43 pm

      @glowwy.
      TA is female.

    • Aigbi

      July 8, 2015 at 12:32 am

      @TA yes the neo-babylonian empire was conquered by Cyrus the great in 539 bce but the city of Babylon did not seize to exist. It was ruled as part of the Persian empire and remained a part of the Persian empire for at least 2 centuries before the defeat of Darius III by Alexander (Iskandar) the Great in 331 bce.

      With regards to Herodotus, I believe you refer to “Histories” and his fleshed out description of the Babylonians. Herodotus wrote about the capture of Babylon by Cyrus not the destruction of the city. He also wrote about the revolts which took place in Babylon (which you claim had been destroyed)after the death of Cyrus and the subsequent re-capture of Babylon by Darius, father of Xerxes. All these actions were documented by Herodotus in Histories and it is proof that Babylon existed beyond 539bc.

      At least you can agree that Herodotus was highly notable historian, a rare feat in world of academia with regards to pre-christian history and archeology.

    • TA

      July 8, 2015 at 8:50 am

      @ Aigbi, I shall re-read my sources and we can discuss again hopefully. My email add is [email protected].

    • TA

      July 8, 2015 at 9:10 am

      @ C’est moi, this one you have introduced Big Bang theory into this conversation so… ok let’s examine that. Charles Darwin’s version of evolution (as discussed in his Origin of Species, first edition) i..e ‘macroevolution’ – apes turning into humans for example, is not a theory that other evolutionists agree on. The evolution proponents CANNOT agree on a single theory! Even if they did agree, is evolution a scientific theory? let’s see. Well, according to the Encyclopedia of Scientific Principles Law and Theories, a scientific theory e.g Albert Einstein’s theory of gravity must :
      1. Be observable
      2. Be reproducible by controlled experiments
      3. Make accurate predictions
      Following this, where does evolution now stand? Its operation cannot be observed,cannot be reproduced nor can it make accurate predictions. Is it not logical to conclude that evolution is not a scientific theory or even a hypothesis (which is a more tentative observation of facts that can be experimentally tested). So you see that the Big bang is not even a theory or what have you.
      C’est moi, I have personally examined (still examining the facts or arguments for or against evolution. I even read Richard Dawkins, oh yes I did) and the fact remains that the evolution theory cannot stand, twist it any way you will. However, I am willing to discuss with an open mind if you have genuine theories. I just hope you are willing to do same. My email is [email protected]. If you wish, you could send me an email and we will talk further on this and other related subjects. Have a pleasant day. 🙂

    • TA

      July 8, 2015 at 9:13 am

      @ glowwy, charis, chichi and modesty, love you all right back. Have a pleasant day guys. 🙂

    • C'est moi

      July 8, 2015 at 6:27 pm

      ” C’est moi, this one you have introduced Big Bang theory into this conversation so… ok let’s examine that. Charles Darwin’s version of evolution”

      @TA
      You need to go back to the basics as you clearly don’t even understand the difference between the Big Bang and Evolution. They are not one and the same as you implied above.

      If you ever read anything on the historicity of new testament or bible as a whole you’ll know it was not divinely inspired, even pastors now acknowledge this.And if you read anything in this area you’ll know it is insulting to attribute such works to a divine being. It’s like Achebe writing in the gawdawful style of EL James and the readership ignoring the elephant in the book/room. Of course the prophecies add up, if you believe the books were written chronologically in the way they appear but the evidence doesn’t support that view. They were deliberately rescribed to appear coherent.

    • eky

      July 8, 2015 at 6:49 pm

      Kai.. you hit the nail.
      welldone.. pls type some more. want to learn more.

    • dex

      July 9, 2015 at 8:12 am

      Geeezzzzz guy u over mailed it ” js as do not have a clue how all ur cells and organs work, dt does not really make you a human being” truth!!!!! Muah!!!! If u ar single, if you re married 4 gv me al d same

    • NIKKY

      August 5, 2015 at 2:09 pm

      I LOVE U TA…..DIS WISDOM IS FROM GOD…IN TESTIFY WIT U DAT THERE IS A GOD AND HE IS MY FATHER…WELL EXPLAINED

    • Truth Teller

      August 21, 2015 at 10:44 am

      @TA can I be your friend??????????? Who are you? Male or female species? You’re awesome!

    • uzo

      October 8, 2015 at 11:05 pm

      You are super intelligent. Thank you for this.

    • bruno FIERCE

      July 7, 2015 at 5:13 pm

      @ta.

      u didn’t still answer my question about who wrote the bible
      and how do we know the bible is the word of god.
      u wrote a story about a boss and a secretary

      that does not explain anything. u didn’t give us any evidence.

      u ran away from the issue like a typical christain.

      ” A
      valid question is How do we know the
      bible has not been altered?
      Well, the author of the bible is not a
      human, he is most powerful Being in the
      universe. He made sure it was preserved
      and passed down till today.”

      REALLY? so this what u tell u self to reassure ur self about ur faith in an authorless book.

      u base ur belief on assumptions.

      smh
      and people are applauding ur comment. smh. nigerians I fear u people.

    • TA

      July 7, 2015 at 6:51 pm

      @ Bruno fierce. Please read my initial comment on this post. If you don’t believe in God,well that is your choice but please don’t claim no evidence to support the existence of God because several exist.

    • bruno FIERCE

      July 7, 2015 at 8:47 pm

      as usual they would run. typical christain. they always get angry and run. LOL

      u didn’t still answer my questions.

      u are basing ur religious beliefs on assumptions.

      god preserved the bible from alteration.
      god wrote the bible thru people

      oya give us evidence. u can not give.

      and ur comment has over 100 likes. nigerians are u people for real. just because u was well written that doesn’t mean it holds any water. no evidence no facts. there is zero evidence that there is a god
      there is zero evidence that the bible is the wprd of god. the white man has said the bible is the word pf god that is why people like u believe in it.

      and by the way I didnt insult u cause I knew u will play that “bruno u can pass ur comment across without insults” card.
      I didn’t insult u but u have decided to still run away like a typical spineless christain. bye

      continue decieving your self. its a shame that this ignorance will be passed down to ur children. cause that one thing I despise about religious people. they always force their kids into their religious cults. I hope one day they make a law banning parents from forcing their children into religion.

      bellanaija u better post my comment.

    • anonymous

      August 21, 2015 at 11:40 am

      The Bible was written by humans inspired by the Holy Spirit. We know the Bible is the Word of God because it is complete truth: it is precise in historical terms and whatever it says will happen always does happen – only words from The Creator can give this kind of assurance.

    • C'est moi

      July 7, 2015 at 6:04 pm

      Q1. There is no evidence anyone can give as it is NOT the word of God, way too contradictory, inaccurate & full of errors to pen authorship to a higher intelligence. It starts with contradiction (creation story). The bible is best seen as a historical document. WHY? leads on to Q2. It was written by mainly anonymous authors, some kings, disciples, historians & rewritten along the years by scribes under the instructions of the rulers for their own agendas. The OT books were were rewritten to support the view that Jesus is the one the prophets foretold.

      Moses did not write the first 5books of the bible, Isaiah was written by 2 authors, the disciples didn’t pen the gospels, Paul wrote 9 of the 13 letters, the others being forgeries by authors using his name so the letters would carry more weight. Read up on the history of the bible, the truth will surely set you free.

      The divinity of Jesus was constructed later after his death by early Christians to up his status from mere prophet to divine being. You need to remember the early church had no bible, the earliest gospel (MARK) was written some 30-40yrs after Jesus died. There are a number of Christ like figures that PREDATE JESUS and the early christians borrowed ideas from these figures. I’m sure these sound all too eerily similar:

      DIONYSUS (greek god)
      . was born of a virgin on December 25 and, as the Holy Child, was placed in a manger. He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles. He “rode in a triumphal procession on an ass.” He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification. Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25. He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine. He was called “King of Kings” and “God of Gods.” He was considered the “Only Begotten Son,” Savior,” “Redeemer,” “Sin Bearer,” Anointed One,” and the “Alpha and Omega.” He was identified with the Ram or Lamb. His sacrificial title of “Dendrites” or “Young Man of the Tree” intimates he was hung on a tree or crucified
      .
      ROMULUS is born of a vestal virgin, which was a priestess of the hearth god Vesta sworn to celibacy. His mother claims that the divine impregnated her, yet this is not believed by the King. Romulus and his twin brother, Remus, are tossed in the river and left for dead. (A “slaughter of the innocents” tale which parallels that of Matthew 2:13-16). Romulus is hailed as the son of god. He is “snatched away to heaven” by a whirlwind (It is assumed that the gods took him), and he makes post mortem appearances. In his work Numa Pompilius, Plutarch records that there was a darkness covering the earth before his death (Just as there was during Jesus’ death according to Mark 15:33). He also states that Romulus is to be know afterwards as ‘Quirinus’; A god which belonged to the Archiac Triad (a “triple deity” similar to the concept of the Trinity).
      .
      HORUS (ancient Egyptian god)
      Born of a virgin, Isis. Only begotten son of the God Osiris. Birth heralded by the star Sirius, the morning star. Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice (about DEC-21). In reality, he had no birth date; he was not a human. Death threat during infancy: Herut tried to have Horus murdered. Handling the threat: The God That tells Horus’ mother “Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.” An angel tells Jesus’ father to: “Arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.” Break in life history: No data between ages of 12 & 30. Age at baptism: 30. Subsequent fate of the baptiser: Beheaded. Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind. Was crucifed, descended into Hell; resurrected after three days.

      MORE?
      .

      KRISHNA (Hindu god)
      According to Bhagavata Purana some believe that Krishna was born without a sexual union, by “mental transmission” from the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki, his mother. Christ and Krishna were called both God and the Son of God. Both were sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man. Both were called Savior, and the second person of the Trinity. Krishna’s adoptive human father was also a carpenter. A spirit or ghost was their actual father. Krishna and Jesus were of royal descent. Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by a star. Angels in both cases issued a warning that the local dictator planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his assassination. The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea; Krishna’s parents stayed in Mathura. Both Christ and Krishna withdrew to the wilderness as adults, and fasted. Both were identified as “the seed of the woman bruising the serpent’s head.” Jesus was called “the lion of the tribe of Judah.” Krishna was called “the lion of the tribe of Saki.” Both claimed: “I am the Resurrection.” Both were “without sin.” Both were god-men: being considered both human and divine. Both performed many miracles, including the healing of disease. One of the first miracles that both performed was to make a leper whole. Each cured “all manner of diseases.” Both cast out indwelling demons, and raised the dead. Both selected disciples to spread his teachings. Both were meek, and merciful. Both were criticized for associating with sinners. Both celebrated a last supper. Both forgave his enemies. Both were crucified and both were resurrected.

      one more
      .
      BUDDHA
      Both went to their temples at the age of twelve, where they are said to have astonished all with their wisdom. Both supposedly fasted in solitude for a long time: Buddha for forty–seven days and Jesus for forty. Both wandered to a fig tree at the conclusion of their fasts. Both were about the same age when they began their public ministry:“When he [Buddha] went again to the garden he saw a monk who was calm, tranquil, self–possessed, serene, and dignified. The prince, determined to become such a monk, was led to make the great renunciation. At the time he was twenty–nine years of age… “Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age.” (Luke 3:23). Both were tempted by the “devil” at the beginning of their ministry: To Buddha, he said: “Go not forth to adopt a religious life but return to your kingdom, and in seven days you shall become emperor of the world, riding over the four continents.” To Jesus, he said: “All these [kingdoms of the world] I will give you, if you fall down and worship me” (Matthew 4:9). Buddha answered the “devil”: “Get you away from me.”Jesus responded: “…begone, Satan!” (Matthew 4:10). Both strove to establish a kingdom of heaven on earth. According to the Somadeva (a Buddhist holy book), a Buddhist ascetic’s eye once offended him, so he plucked it out and cast it away. Jesus said: “If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out, and throw it away;.” (Matthew 5:29).

    • Somebody

      July 7, 2015 at 9:40 pm

      You do realise that the difference between Christ and ALL the other mythical characters you mentioned is that there are actual first hand accounts of his existence and accomplishments, even by none Christians e.g Tacitus and others right? In an effort to sound learned and informed, you missed that one crucial fact.

    • Somebody

      July 7, 2015 at 9:53 pm

      Addendum: Tacitus was not a first hand account, however he is considered one of the most authoritative historians of that era. Other well respected historians gave me testament to Christ’s existence and manner of death such as Lucian, Pliny, and even Josephus who was born a few years after Christ died and witnessed the second destruction of the temple. There is no such verification for these other characters you mentioned. In fact even their followers never ever tried to substantiate their myths. So you can say their believers were acting on an even more blind and incomprehensible faith than Christians. Right?

    • Hannah

      July 7, 2015 at 11:55 pm

      Lmao i think you missed the part where they said Isiah had a high IQ, you sir do not fit that description

    • Anes

      July 27, 2015 at 6:58 am

      Prove all things… youtube.com/watch?v=FbxD04LWW10.

  2. Stylish

    July 7, 2015 at 9:35 am

    I sense it in my Spirit when someone is about to instigate problems, troubles, arguments and ridicule God.

    Isio,
    If you believe in God, fine
    If you don’t believe in God, fine.
    Religion and God is not to be discussed like any other article

    Don’t ever instigate people against each other.
    Your belief in God is a personal experience

    Leave it the way it is!

    • Stylish

      July 7, 2015 at 9:45 am

      Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, Unto Timothy, (1Timothy 1:4)

      Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. (kjv)

      Don’t let them waste their time in endless discussion of myths and spiritual pedigrees. These things only lead to meaningless speculations,[a] which don’t help people live a life of faith in God. The purpose of my instruction is that all believers would be filled with love that comes from a pure heart, a clear conscience, and genuine faith (NLT)

      You needed to warn them to stop wasting their time on senseless stories and endless lists of ancestors. Such things only cause arguments. They don’t help anyone to do God’s work that can only be done by faith. (Contemporary))

      Nor to give importance to or occupy themselves with legends (fables, myths) and endless genealogies, which foster and promote useless speculations and questionings rather than acceptance in faith of God’s administration and the divine training that is in faith (Amplified)

    • goodiebagman

      July 7, 2015 at 2:29 pm

      @stylish and @TA, you guys are blessed. When the devil comes out to steal souls, God will always send his people to provide reassurance. Those who have ears (eyes), let them hear (read and comprehend).

    • natu

      July 7, 2015 at 4:07 pm

      Africans can preach. I wish we could use this same energy to develop our economies.

    • Prime Babe

      July 7, 2015 at 1:30 pm

      I personally do not see what she has done wrong. This topic could spring up anywhere- work, school, bus ride etc….. And there is absolutely no need to start arguments on it. If you do not agree with what someone has said, then maybe you should do the “big thing” and walk away…and leave every one with their own beliefs. Tolerance is key is the key thing I think.

    • red

      July 7, 2015 at 5:14 pm

      i dont think that is Isio’s motive for writing this text…not to turn people against the others

  3. Reetah

    July 7, 2015 at 9:44 am

    Okay, I can’t wait for the comments on this one. I’ll be back

  4. DoTheMath

    July 7, 2015 at 9:50 am

    If you were in Jss2 as at 1995 then you are definitely between 33 an 34 years old right now. I am sorry I had to do the maths, I couldn’t help myself.

    • mide

      July 7, 2015 at 10:15 am

      Awon monitoring spirit!!! Won tun de ooo

    • DotheMath

      July 7, 2015 at 11:45 am

      Before!!! (smiling), but if we are all honest with our selves we are all monitoring spirits to our dear celebrities. Including you.

    • jaybird

      July 7, 2015 at 10:27 am

      She could be 31,30,or29. Cos am 30, and was in Js1 in 95, and I wasn’t the youngest person in my class.

    • tamilore

      July 7, 2015 at 10:57 am

      well… i was in Jss 2 1995 and will be 30 this year… maths can fail you sometimes. hehehe

    • DotheMath

      July 7, 2015 at 11:38 am

      I concur Maths can fail sometimes … You might be the exception to the norm, like you skipped some classes,(Left school at Primary 4) Born in December and some other assumption. Anyways, I am still doing the maths again, see I can’t help myself. hehe

    • tamales

      July 7, 2015 at 12:48 pm

      Not necessarily I was also in jss 2 in 1995 and I just turned 31.

    • bolu

      July 7, 2015 at 1:06 pm

      erm she could be and she may not be considering the different ages Nigerians start school, in JSS2 i would have been 10/11 hence just turning 31,so for probability sake probably widen to the gap

    • JI

      July 7, 2015 at 1:49 pm

      Just to rubbish your maths you just did @DoTheMath: I finished from FGC Warri in 1996, and I am turning 34 next month. So, yes, it doesn’t always look like you think!

    • DoTheMath

      July 7, 2015 at 4:58 pm

      My initial comment was meant to get people thinking. Thank you for adding another dimension to my initial calculation. I was working with a lot of assumption.

    • age is nothing but a number

      July 8, 2015 at 7:33 pm

      not necessarily.. I was 11 in JS2 – she could started school very young….

    • age is nothing but a number

      July 8, 2015 at 7:36 pm

      *have started

  5. Ocean Beauty

    July 7, 2015 at 9:52 am

    Religion has never been a thing of interest until I was forced to study it. Somehow we didn’t have any muslim, atheist or African traditional religions worshippers in class so it was a bit boring. This topic is not easy to delve into.
    I am a christian but I am still finding answers to some question.
    Who created evil,? since we are aware the devil has no creative ability persay.
    Also, what do we call good? What is good for one person might be bad for another. for example, the doctor needs sick people for him to eat. The undertaker needs dead souls to survive.
    I think I am beginning to go more philosophical than religious.
    Truth be told, I believe the Oriental religions argue less than Christians and Muslims.

    • Aigbi

      July 7, 2015 at 3:46 pm

      Other questions you can think about include:
      1. What is omnipotence?
      2. If a being is omnipotent must it be able to perform any action/task?
      3. If an omnipotent being created a stone it could not lift, is it still omnipotent?
      4. If an omnipotent being cannot create a stone which it cannot lift was it ever omnipotent?
      5. If 2billion people believe something is true, does that make it the truth? If yes are the other 5billion doomed?
      6. Do we choose our beliefs and values or are programmed by nature and our parents?

      Never stop asking questions…

    • ogeAdiro

      July 7, 2015 at 5:07 pm

      Number 3 sounds like the ‘halting problem’.

  6. very interested in posting a comment this time but.

    July 7, 2015 at 9:55 am

    Il be back.

  7. Eyitayo

    July 7, 2015 at 9:59 am

    Isio with this topic now Muslims and Christians will start throwing blows….anyway as for me do your religion and let me do mine at the end of it all, only God knows who is truly serving him shikena

  8. pipi

    July 7, 2015 at 10:13 am

    the love the bible teaches me lets me know there is a God, if truly indeed we love the way the bible tells us to, how beautiful life would be. but people have made religon so hard with thier different rules and co. God is love and love is God simple. If there was anything called loviest i would called that my religion because everyday i strive to love other people as much as myself

  9. Lea

    July 7, 2015 at 10:13 am

    Lool Mr do the math. This story could actually be made up just to interest the readers.

    • DoTheMath

      July 7, 2015 at 11:59 am

      Lool. You might be right, just variables and constants.

  10. 'Tope

    July 7, 2015 at 10:20 am

    Haven’t laughed this hard in a while. All these hit very close to home.
    But you forgot to add the one with Christians against Jehovah witnesses… My mom says their beliefs are “baba la n false doctrine”.
    I’ve learned to keep mute in matters concerning religion and I don’t dabble in it’s murky waters. I’ve seen firsthand the damage just expressing your thoughts on it can wreck. (I was born and bred in Jos) but as a christian myself, I wished that the people representing us had stronger arguments. I always feel guilty secretly agreeing with the atheists.

    • adaeze

      July 7, 2015 at 12:46 pm

      yea me three, I’ve learnt to keep really quiet. I just always say that Christianity is a religion of faith (i can’t speak for others, just mine). I believe God exists though I haven’t seen him and I’m blessed to have a personal relationship with God. Even the Bible says without faith, you can’t please God… it’s faith my dear, you just have to believe. And praise to His name, He rewards us which strengthens our belief and trust in Him.

    • molarah

      July 7, 2015 at 7:08 pm

      Mmm hmm, word! As in, we Christians have to admit at times that we have not mastered sound responses to those that have myriads of questions against our faith. But I think its because sometimes we are too lazy to do the research. In fact several questions (including those raised on this article) have very sound biblical answers to them. There is a whole body of work dedicated to this kind of study – its called Apologetics. And there are several sound pastors that have sermons and messages addressing practically every contrary question you can raise. I wish I could put the links as responses to all those raising questions. but that will take so long to do. But here are good starts – look out for messages from Voddie Baucham, David Pawson. And there’s this great blog latterdays(dot)blogspot(dot)com. And a youtube channel called the fuel project. Its time for us to start getting informed and be ready to defend the faith we profess.

  11. le coco

    July 7, 2015 at 10:21 am

    I have never understood why alot of Nigerian schools like to shove Christianity down ppls throat… especially private schools.. ypu will c a school that has not indicated tht it is strictly Christian. . Hell they wld even hv a large percentage of muslims… bt because perhaps their principal is Christian they must do praise nd worship every single morning. . Ah ahnn.. it is annoying. . They will praise,Pray,. Kabash nd even recite memory verse during assembly. .it is insensitive nd unfair to others… let religion be personal except the scholl has indicated tht they r a Christian school…. I am a Christian. . But I don’t mind others beliefs.. so long as you dont shove it in my face.. I often find tht it is fellow christians tht r intolerant of other ppl.. its a shame

    • bolu

      July 7, 2015 at 1:13 pm

      hmm my school was termed a christain school more so catholic, but i must say that we had a balance in what we did, and it was my first in depth look at how others serve God, when we prayed we did the muslim prayer, catholic prayer and the protestant prayer so i could say we tried to represent various beliefs at lent the catholics fasted and at Ramadan the muslims fasted they even had their prayer rooms and were exempt from sunday service. even up till today i can still recite some muslim prayers and i’m a christain

  12. Unique

    July 7, 2015 at 10:26 am

    Im not here to argue but to state one fact: Christianity is not a religion but rather a way of life. You can believe yourself to be a christian and not believe in the Holy Spirit or the bible, whatever suits you. all i know that what i believe in is working for me.

    The truth is faith is a universal phenomena, those who worship trees, demons, water, allah and atheist or agnostics also have faith because it works for them anyway.
    But we ought to look at is the END of what you put your faith in!

    For those who dont brlieve in God or whatever, it wont be a crime if you can communicate within if there is really God, that he (God) should clarify himself to you.

    another point is that the way we humanthinks and our thought processes are vastly inadequate to understand Spiritual things. we tends to dissaprove, demonise whatever we cant understand or what science cant proof. There are some things we will never understand no matter how science progresses, some things are just to be left alone.

    Just as the way we know and percieve things in our heart that mskes us want to live forever. we are all scare of death not in death in itself nut because we have that inner craving to live forever if even to the detriment of others. someone must have put that inner desire there.
    its good to look at things objectively here instead of arguing about what we dont understand but trying to use logic anf intellectualism to explain something behind us.

    No matter what you believe in, just take a look at the end of it. Period!
    Nobody has a monopoly over religion, i hate that word *religion* cos it had cause so much deaths to the world.

    I am a christian and be in God the father, Son and the HolySpirit. It works for me but i wasnt forced into it. its my way of life not because i go to church, infact most time i dont go to church because of my programmes and that doesnt make me less a christian. its suppose to be a relationship not an obligation.

    • Confuzzled

      July 7, 2015 at 1:28 pm

      “Christianity is not a religion, its a way of life”

      That’s what everyone says about their religion, so the point is moot. Keep doing you though…

    • Mz Socially Awkward...

      July 7, 2015 at 1:48 pm

      I agree wholeheartedly with your first statement. Christianity started with followers of Christ who were completely convicted by His life, His death and His resurrection and their desire to continue discovering the new Hope that He brought into their own lives. They wanted more of that Truth that set them free (all the letters of the Apostles in the New Testament show this) and that was their sole focus. Unfortunately, that focus got lost along the way as people signed up to become part of it but not always running with the same memo (Ananias and Sapphira as an early example – Acts 5) and that’s where the “herd mentality” which many people accuse church goers of, becomes a description with some truth in it.

      Christianity isn’t a type of religious social club, it’s a way of life that’s not supposed to be smooth-sailing because its primary motivation is Faith. Jesus repeatedly preached that message Himself (“Have Faith in God”, “Your Faith has made you whole”, “Believe in me, Believe in the Father who sent me” and much more) and even John the Baptist, the evangelistic fire-brand exhibits one know occasion of stumbling against that one requirement (sending his disciples from prison to ask Jesus, maybe out of frustration at his situation at the time, “Are You the one we’ve been waiting for or should we keep looking out for another?”). This path isn’t defined at all by the routines and rites of religious practises.

      And once you understand what it takes to follow Christ (i.e. when you’ve received your own personal conviction about why He came and died as He did), you realise you can’t force Christ on anyone. Your beliefs are so secure in your heart that you aren’t obligated to respond to every provocative argument on the subject of why you believe that Heaven has been made available to you through The Cross. The Word of God becomes your sole response; only the Holy Spirit can bring that intimate conviction to anyone else and your own task is to keep being a witness for Jesus by showing the world how the ultimate Love of God has brought about your own change. Sorry for the treatise but I just always have to point out this key difference wherever I find Christianity being described as a religion.

    • aurora

      July 7, 2015 at 8:12 pm

      you realise you can’t force Christ on anyone. Your beliefs are so secure in your heart that you aren’t obligated to respond to every provocative argument on the subject of why you believe that Heaven has been made available to you through The Cross. The Word of God becomes your sole response; only the Holy Spirit can bring that intimate conviction to anyone else and your own task is to keep being a witness for Jesus by showing the world how the ultimate Love of God has brought about your own change

      this is so gbammest!!
      like, no one had to really convince me about God before i went seeking him, i knew something was missing and i couldnt figure it out….
      the holy spirit came to me and i just have to obey, by the time i started to experience that peace of God that passeth all understanding, i signed up for the christian lifestyle forever and so when i pray for people, my prayer is that they experience that peace of God cos thats what will make them believe wholeheartedly in this wonderful God i serve

  13. A Real Nigerian

    July 7, 2015 at 10:45 am

    Who is this “God” you all speak of?
    Never heard from him. I must be doing something wrong, yh?

  14. nikky

    July 7, 2015 at 10:46 am

    As an an atheist religion or religious people do not bother me. However when religion is used to impose harsh inhumane laws then I have a problem with it.
    Many years ago when I was a little kid, mumsy used to take us to this super religious church where everything was was from the marine world. Hair, lipstick,nail polish etc. Funny thing is that I always wondered how the fishes in the ocean made these products.

    • bee

      July 7, 2015 at 1:05 pm

      Love your last sentence! Laughed hard, it made my day. So true!!!
      All these theories we sit and call facts! Humans!!!

    • Sisi Mama

      July 7, 2015 at 3:58 pm

      Am in bed recovering but your comment just made my day. I am here laughing hysterically. I can imagine.

    • Bobosteke & Lara Bian

      July 7, 2015 at 8:02 pm

      Get well real soon.

    • Magz

      July 8, 2015 at 9:37 am

      “Many years ago when I was a little kid, mumsy used to take us to this super religious church where everything was was from the marine world. Hair, lipstick,nail polish etc. Funny thing is that I always wondered how the fishes in the ocean made these products.” this right here is the funniest thing i have read in a while…….looooooooool!

  15. sesan

    July 7, 2015 at 10:47 am

    @brunoFierce, judging from the username used its obvious ure a trouble maker. To ur que,It is accurate to say that God wrote the Bible. According to 2 Timothy 3:16, Scripture is “breathed out” by God. Throughout the Bible, it is obvious that God is being quoted: over 400 times in the Bible, we find the words “thus says the Lord” (NKJV). The Bible refers to itself as the Word of God dozens of times (e.g., Psalm 119; Proverbs 30:5; Isaiah 40:8; 55:11; Jeremiah 23:29; John 17:17; Romans 10:17; Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12). The Bible is said to proceed from the mouth of God (Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4).

    However, saying that God wrote the Bible does not mean He took pen in hand, grabbed some parchment, and physically wrote the text of Scripture. His “writing” of Scripture was not a physical action on His part. Rather, God’s authorship was accomplished through the process of inspiration, as human writers wrote God’s message.

    So, it is also accurate to say that inspired men of God wrote the Bible. The doctrine of the inspiration of Scripture essentially teaches that God “superintended” the human authors of the Bible so that their individual styles were preserved but the end result was precisely what God wanted. When Matthew, for example, sat down to write an account of Jesus’ ministry, he relied on his memory (he was an eyewitness to the events he recorded) with help from the Holy Spirit (John 14:26), keeping his intended readership in mind (Matthew wrote for a Jewish audience). The result was the Gospel of Matthew—a narrative full of Matthew’s vocabulary, Matthew’s grammar, Matthew’s syntax, and Matthew’s style. Yet it was God’s Word. The Spirit had so guided Matthew’s writing that everything God wanted to say was said, and nothing was included that God did not intend to say.

  16. bruno FIERCE

    July 7, 2015 at 10:49 am

    someone on bellanaija commented in a previous article saying that “the bible has ALL the answers”

    I was shocked to say the least. I had to read the comment again to make sure I was seeing clearly.

    how can the bible have all the answers.
    okay can the bible answer this question for me. why does god allow an innocent baby to come into this world with a massive hole in his heart?

    is god trying to test the parents of the child?

    why did a terrible earthquake that killed thousands of people happen, was god angry with them?

    u religious people make me laugh.

    when I’m in a bus travelling and they start praying before the journey starts, I just laugh in my mind.

    if we are going to have an accident, we would have an accident, no amount of prayer can stop it. besides what of the travellers who prayed before the journey and still had an accident. does it mean god didn’t love those people enough?

    or maybe god is trying to test them. cause thats the only thing god likes to do, he likes to test people.
    why does god need to test someone who already believes in him.
    abi u christains say god can read the hearts of men, so isnt god suppose to know who is genuine and who is fake. so why does he still need to test people.

    religion is so stupid, I swear.

    if u like dont turn to science. science cured ur malaria, and in some few years science will cure hiv. I hope when scientists finally find the cure for hiv, I hope u silly religious people wont start shouting thank god. god didn’t find the cure, it was scientists. nonsense.

    • No more mysteries

      July 7, 2015 at 12:37 pm

      Yes the bible has soooooo many gaps, it is almost unbelievable that the book still exists today. It contradicts itself and is very sexist and biased towards females. The Quran too, too open to being misconstrued and you can create any interpretation that you want based on what agenda you are trying to push I.e. Terrorists. Christianity also suffers from the superiority complex and it says their only route is to heaven. So you mean billions of people that are not Christians are going to hell? The places that Christianity didn’t get to for example or people that died before the bible reached their village are going to hell? Does that make any sense?

      Pick up The Grail Message sometime would you. All those unanswered questions, the gaps, you will find answers too. From homosexuality, why people are “born gay”, distorted souls, why bad things happen to seemingly good people, how no baby is ever born innocent, reincarnation, karma and the likes, diseases, afflictions, natural disasters, the power of your thoughts, how to use your intuition, the power of your words, why people are born into billionaire families and some in Somalia. It explains why you were born black and the other person white, why they have a developed society and we don’t. Why you were born into your family, your siblings, even your tribe. The commonality tribes have without many of the people even ever getting to meet each other.
      The role of women, the gifts that they have. The role of a man, the differences in both sexes, the role each play. The occult and their practices, the evil behind them, the gift of clairvoyance and clairaudience, murder, greed, violence, rape, being possessed, marriage, raising children.
      How Pastors seemingly have mind control abilities over their flock of sheep, the punishment waiting for such people when they pass on, life after death, I can continue ad infinitum.
      The bible and Quran are sexist towards females, The message on the other hand explains womanhood from a better perspective. How women are a reflection of society, the degradation of moral values, the intellect, the spirit, the soul etc. It has changed my life and I haven’t stepped foot in a church since. I don’t even attend marriage ceremonies in churches because I can’t stand the fakery. The church has gotten it wrong in so many ways, you don’t need to wonder why developed nations have turned their backs against it. I am not some weird person as many people who have the same ideologies as me have been led to believe by Nigerians. Anything they don’t understand or are not used to must be weird. I am as normal as normal comes, people don’t know until I tell them. They just assume I am Christian and I smile and let them. When they get to know, the normal questions are but you are normal, not like those “Grail Messengers”. Nigerians and and their penchant for exaggerating, generalising and passing along false testimony without ever verifying anything. If you get the opportunity to. Read it.

    • seun

      July 7, 2015 at 4:55 pm

      Well said.

      My husband is a crossbearer too and i’m currently reading the grail message. I really wish there was a grail centre here in Canada; i’m sure it will have definitely helped.

    • Olamide

      July 7, 2015 at 5:53 pm

      You said it! Christianity, especially in Nigeria, and in fact all over the world if full of misogyny and blatant woman disrespect. Many other religions too. And it is as a result of this that there are so many problems in our generation. I am tired o

    • molarah

      July 7, 2015 at 7:28 pm

      Again, on this post, all I’m seeing are people that moved too quickly away from the faith of their fathers, without doing their thorough research. Your comment, and several others, is rife with the kind of shallowness that comes from years spent grazing on second-hand knowledge of Christianity from nominal attendance in churches and interactions with nominal Christians, and then waking up one day to turn your back against it because you suddenly realized it wasn’t answering the real prodding questions in your heart. But how could you get any answers from the Christian faith, when you know that you really did not dedicate yourself to any major form of adherence? I’m not blaming you and others anyway – you are simply the product of a society that has placed morality above true spirituality and godliness.

      The Grail message, and many others like it, is not telling you anything of value if they have not mentioned that the true cause of all sorrow in this world is the sinfulness of man, and that only the perfect atonement by God in flesh in the person of Jesus Christ can offer any true solution. Its all cerebral and fancy to be learning stuff about why one is black and another white, and how magic or stuff occurs, but this kind of knowledge cannot and will not offer the salvation that the Christian faith promises. That’s the real difference.

    • red

      July 7, 2015 at 5:18 pm

      ode ni e o Bruno, to your question, why does God allow a baby to come to this world with a whole in the heart..there are several answers to that in the bible, ill give you one..please read the story of the man who was born blind and what Jesus responded with when His disciples asked Him if it was the man’s fault or his parent’s that he was born blind.

    • red

      July 7, 2015 at 5:20 pm

      onirase, you are alive today because it is GOd’s will. God doesn’t kill, He doesn’t make sick.. Satan would have had you and many of us if not for God…#UseYourHead#

  17. sesan

    July 7, 2015 at 10:53 am

    Again, I think ure not an atheist, judging from the tone of ur message. Ure just a noise maker. #slap someone if the person should say the holy spirit REALLY#. Am pretty sure u were bullied a lot thats why u can only proof ur point being anonymous. I c

  18. sesan

    July 7, 2015 at 10:56 am

    Again, The first Christian contact in Nigeria occurred in the fifteenth century when the Portuguese introduced Roman Catholicism. However, it was virtually extinguished over the following 200 years until Roman Catholic missionaries returned in the 1800s. Since then, the Catholic Church has grown and now claims approximately 19 million members and adherents, mainly in the southeast.

    The first Protestant missionaries to Nigeria were Wesleyan Methodists. They began work in the southwest among the Yoruba in 1842. Other Protestant groups followed: Church Missionary Society (evangelical Anglican), United Free Church of Scotland, and the Southern Baptists. Over the last 100 years, several other missions have entered Nigeria:

  19. Glo

    July 7, 2015 at 10:59 am

    Oh No Isio, discussions/arguments about religion is a no go area for me. Its an emotional roller coaster of a topic.
    I don’t argue about what i don’t fully understand…and yes am a Christian but i learn more about it everyday hence i still don’t fully understand it.
    I used to argue about what morally Right and Wrong or morally Good and Evil but now i don’t anymore because now i know that what is morally “anything (Good, Evil, Right or Wrong)* is a result of our upbringing and beliefs.
    Now, i just live and let live.

  20. Eniwealth

    July 7, 2015 at 11:06 am

    Keep em coming… I see you all dem, mathematicians. Una do well!

  21. natu

    July 7, 2015 at 11:06 am

    Both the bible and quran has alot of unanswered questions and contradictions. For e.g. I want to understand from a religious stand point where all the different races originate from. The whole idea of purgatory sounds evil and contrived. Why is God a male? When I look at the qualities and characteristics of men, it kinda contradicts Jehovah’s characteristics. Why is the bible against women? Women are like second class citizens in the bible and Quran. That is all for now.

  22. C'est moi

    July 7, 2015 at 11:07 am

    Who created evil? Simple. Pls turn to Isaiah 45:7 for your answer, ideally the King James Version for the clearest answer, some of newer version like to play down the answer

    I

    • platinum

      July 7, 2015 at 10:17 pm

      Get the Hebrew txt and translate for yourself

  23. Ojo Bamidele

    July 7, 2015 at 11:12 am

    Religion!Religion!Religion!!!!!! What this English language has caused in the world if am not exaggerating is beyond God himself because the Holy Bible confirms it that “God said that after HE created man he was not happy” is not bcos HE did not like is handwork but bcos HE His a God that knows the beginning from the end He knows what man can finally do which is what is happening now.
    My brothers/sister please whatever faith your believe in continue bcos it works for you is more or less like a cause if you believe in a cause you will fight for it to the end. if you are a Christianity hold on to your faith in truth and if you are in the other religion Hold on to your faith when will all die we will face the one who sent us to the earth.
    That is my take on this matter.

  24. Daisy

    July 7, 2015 at 11:18 am

    I just try to let everyone breathe in their various religious attachments. My bestfriend is a Jehovah’s witness and I am a born and bred pentecostal member. We just never talk about it, I follow her to her church sometimes and hear all the contrary teachings they have from my own denomination and I’m just not bothered. Everyone has the right to their views, the quicker we learn that the faster we can put an end to religious fanatism.

  25. Jos gurl

    July 7, 2015 at 11:24 am

    Hy Topeeeee! Am also a Jos girl,born and bred in Jos north precisely but currently schooling in the East, feels good to come across someone from Jos on BN *smiles*. Yea,back to the matter. To each his own,its as simple as that. I bet the unending arguments will still extend to the next generation and personally, I barely have the strength to engage in arguments of this nature cos it never ends.

    • 'Tope

      July 8, 2015 at 12:37 am

      Hi Jos gurl!
      It’s ALWAYS great to come across other J town kids.

  26. Unique

    July 7, 2015 at 11:35 am

    just lemme spent a few question asked by @thereal nigerian and @brunofierce.

    The bible told admonish me to let my yes be yes and no be no. with that in mind i will answer thus.

    @realnigerian, i have no phychic to determine whether you are doing smthing wrong or not, i have no idea about that. God speaks to amd lead people in different and non customised way. perhaps He(God) has being leading nd speaking to you in a way you havent grasp, i dont know as i am just speculating, dont be offended but i dont think you are a believer and if you are not, continue in what you put your faith in

    @bruno fierce, even the science you so much depend quoted unequovacially has its limits, there are some things science cant explain themselves just they said humanity came from fish, some scientist claim human evolved from apes. the question how did apes came to be? science thinks with logic and systematic approach to things which is quite veritable cos many mind blowing discovery have been made, however i do like to ask your science mind a few question, How did matter came to existence since science said everythg is made up of matter, were the scientist around when matter was created or their brain has some IQ normal humans dont have? and if true how did that IQ came to being? how did proton, neutron nd electrons came about?

    you can believe you came from apes, fish or whatever but i will beleive i came from God. evryone to his own

    for those that might want to attack my views or comments.

    i was once a staunch muslim till God lead me to him, i wasnt forced by being preached to or coerced. He (God) lead me to himself with different dreams and signs, it wasnt dramatic or instaneous but i have grown to realise that there is a God and he is not mean or wicked but a loving father helping me all the way even when i dont measure up. it has worked for me.

    I am his Son and He is my Father, got a problem with that statement? we dont need to argue about that, go and ask him(God). Period!

    there is no need for fanatism, its evil. Every fanatic thinks they have to fight for God, is it that God is so impotent that he has to look for us to retain his throne.
    truth will always be truth no matter how many times you fight it. I am not a christian, i am a bible disciple. i do what the bible says not what a preacher say cos they are humans too and make errors and attached emotionalism to their sermons.

    • adaeze

      July 7, 2015 at 12:49 pm

      I am his Son and He is my Father, got a problem with that statement? we dont need to argue about that, go and ask him(God). Period!
      A million likes for this! personal conviction is it!

  27. Anonymous

    July 7, 2015 at 11:58 am

    In my humble opinion, everyone has a religion; there is an inherent need to fill a void in our lives with something and religion often fills it. Even atheist with their superiority attitude who look down on “religious” folks believe in something – their atheism is a religion (no matter how much they refute this).

    I am a christian and I believe that the bible doesn’t have all the answers; I also believe that there are parts of the bible that are in direct contradiction to other parts. I don’t appreciate Christians believing that they/their bible has all the answers because that is a lie. People with PhD in bible studies (if there is any such) always acknowledge that there are somethings we will never fully understand about the bible. I also acknowledge that the bible that we have now has been translated by humans and as such some things may have been left out or changed out to suit political/ambitious needs of those who ordered the translation. No one has all the answers.

    I also believe that if JESUS was walking earth today, He will be accepting of every one regardless of their past/background (and that includes the gays that everyone is convinced is going to hell). I also believe that religion is a personal thing and aggressive proselytizing is wrong.

    Finally, I believe that every single human being is well within their rights to have any opinion, follow any religion or hold any ideals no matter how vile and stupid it is as long as these ideals and opinions are not used to justify harm to others.

    • looters

      July 7, 2015 at 4:44 pm

      Best comment so far

    • molarah

      July 8, 2015 at 2:53 am

      Hey, quick heads up here. Some of your “I believe”s in your comment are in direct variance to what Christ has to say. E.g. You are against aggressive proselytising, but Christ says “Go ye therefore and make disciples of all nations…’

      Here’s the truth here. We are not called to be Christians so we can buddy up to Jesus on a peer-level and say things like “I like this part of you, but I don’t like this part of you, but we still cool, right?” Christ is not our buddy, He’s our Lord. And He’s either Lord of all of you or Lord of none of you. That’s why the first of His commandments is an entire, 360 degrees, all-encompassing love and devotion to God, “…you shall love the Lord your God with ALL your heart, ALL your strength, ALL your soul, ALL your mind…”. My conclusion? You need to decide. Either you are a christian or you aren’t, either you accept all of Christ or you don’t, there is no space for cherry-picking on this field, He doesn’t need your approval. Accept him or reject Him. But stick to one lane.

    • Magz

      July 8, 2015 at 9:51 am

      But we can buddy up to Him….that is why He went through what He did! Just so He can identify with us, was that not why He came to the earth and tried to live like a mortal being? Honestly, that was a question, so i’d like an answer.

      What you did right there was one of the things people complain about when it comes to Christians….he/she stated how they practise christianity/religion and you assumed they were cherry-picking. Christianity is all about personal conviction and personal understanding of whom you serve EVEN IF others do not understand.

      You want to take up Evangelism? Fine, that is okay by you but that doesn’t mean if someone else doesn’t want to take it up, they are a lesser Christian than you! It is personal!!!

  28. SuperNova

    July 7, 2015 at 12:09 pm

    To clear the air, as a conversant reader of Isio’s articles, she should be 32 most likely this year. I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure she’s over 30. Doing my daily quota of gbeborun on BN today. Don’t judge me…

  29. ZEE

    July 7, 2015 at 12:11 pm

    hmmmmmm… religion isnt part of it ISIO BABY!!!

  30. Ann

    July 7, 2015 at 12:52 pm

    I’m christian in the barest form. I love God and believe in God and try to be a good person but that’s where it ends. It’s hard for me to read the bible because I’m a woman and frankly the bible treats women like second class citizens. There’s a lot of hate and contradictory messages in the bible. all the killings in the name of Allah, all the terrible things religion has brought us, all the hate in our hearts that we justify using religion. The funny thing is when people ask if Islam is a religion of peace it makes me laugh cos they obviously don’t know the history of Christianity. Christianity during the crusades was even more brutal than Islam is in our society today. They killed so many non believers. So many.
    Anyway, I try in all aspects to be logical. But I’m a feminist who tries to be a good person and who loves God and who loves gays and who thinks the Bible was written by mere men and just reflects a product of its time.
    To each his own.

    • Olamide

      July 7, 2015 at 5:44 pm

      @Ann you are so right and very much relatable! I am also a christian feminist, and since I was young, I knew there was something wrong with the Bible. I knew God couldn’t think the way these men were thinking. Came to discover that men wrote it and it was from their perspective. God says A and they hear B. With that, they silenced and oppressed women for years with all that ‘man is head’ crap. But God blessed us women with much more abilities and I can see why everyone is threatened. I must teach my daughter well

    • red

      July 8, 2015 at 1:10 pm

      @Olamide and Ann. i get you guys but the bible is true and real..bible does not silence women. i battled with this for many years until i understood what was being written. i know Paul wrote letters and he said things like women should be silent in public and all that, he also talked about the adorning of the body with jewelry..well, please read all that in context, yes it was man’s writing, if you read correctly, he differentiated btw his writings inspired by the holy spirit and what he thought his opinion was. Paul was very zealous, most of the apostles of that time were very, and almost over-zealous sef, they were all out for God and did enviable things and somethings which pple of this generation may consider not necessary. women preach and talk in public now and people fall under the anointing, women preach on the altar without covering their heads and the anointing still flows..
      if it was in this age Jesus came, he would have been on the internet, social media, tv, etc. he would have worn tshirts and jeans. facecaps and all that.but He came in the age where they didnt have all those things. it doesn’t mean he condemns them now.
      please read the bible in context, know when there’s a direct message to you and to some particular people.
      above all..always communicate with the Holy Spirit, He alone teaches the truth. He will never speak to you outside His word.

    • molarah

      July 8, 2015 at 3:27 am

      Hmmmm. I want you to think critically about the view you just expressed. You may not want to admit it, but a different way of phrasing what you wrote is, “I want so badly to hold on to my feminist viewpoint, so I’d rather call God a liar and raise an indictment on those He has sent messages through so I can feel comfortable in my feminism”. It’s the way of the world around us. If their opinion doesn’t match ours let’s build a smear campaign against them to discredit them.

      But this is not wisdom. First of all, have you read these scriptures you claim represses women? As in, really read them? Are you sure you are not just regurgitating second-hand, unfounded claims? Surely you can’t tell me that you missed a female judge, that you missed God’s express instructions that 4 girls inherit their father’s property when the prevailing custom at the time was to disinherit them, that you missed a brave queen and a brave reformed prostitute, that you missed female prophetesses, that you missed the female helpers of Jesus and the women He protected from the sexism of their days e.g. the adulteress, the widom of nain, that you missed the women that proclaimed the news of His resurrection, and you missed the women Paul lavished praises on for being helpers of the ministry? And I only just touched the surface. Please actually get into the Bible and read these things for yourself, to prevent misinformation.

      Secondly, to correct you, Christianity is not about being a good person. That’s where many miss the plot. I so miss the old-time tracts but they put forward the first step towards the christian faith in the simplest manner possible – ABC. A being Admit (you are a sinner). If we have not realised that the core of our beings is rotten with sin, and that this is the true cause of the evil we see in our world, then we really can’t get God. We can’t understand why He did and does what He does, and the folly in our hearts will cause us to rail against Him and call Him unjust, unfair. In summary, all I see here in your defence is a desperation to hold on to what has become comfortable and an unwillingness to let Christ be truly Lord and master. But I urge you to let it go and let God. He’s not the tyrant and meanie the world would have you believe He is; He is indeed an amazingly loving and wonderful Father and mighty to redeem and deliver. And He’s NOT a slavemaster. If you can read Isaiah 46:4

    • Magz

      July 8, 2015 at 9:54 am

      Hi Molarah, please for the sake of everything you hold dear, stop preaching and let people air their opinions! “But this is not wisdom”????? Really??? You are now a judge of what is wise or not?

  31. Abby

    July 7, 2015 at 1:06 pm

    Of all topics to write about?! Isio Isio Isio how many times have I called you?! Lol. Don’t be a source of division, Nigeria has enough division along ethnic, political and tribal lines to now add religion join. Abeg, let’s learn to do things with wisdom

  32. Nonye

    July 7, 2015 at 1:11 pm

    If anyone has closely studied religion you’ll notice that they all have same goal different approaches. But the fact still remains ” a fool says in his heart there’s no God”. There’s no adjective that qualifies God, different religion & sect have what they call him. Some call him God,the source, the almighty, the ALL,etc & his understanding is beyond human comprehension.
    Saying there’s no God is like saying you don’t exist yourself.
    @Bruno Fierce if you’re depending on science then you’re as myopic as the word “myopic”. I pity your future after life. If you’re really looking into understanding life you might have to delve a bit into mysticism. But if you loose your sanity in the process I won’t be held responsible for it.
    “there’s a mystery we’ll never know until we take the last breath”_Oprah

  33. nwa papa

    July 7, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    Nigerians are probably the most over religious bunch of hypocrites you’ll ever come across… That being said “your beliefs don’t make you a better person, your behavior does”. And going by the behaviors of most over religious Nigerians it would leave you wanting….

    • Magz

      July 8, 2015 at 9:55 am

      Thank you for this!

  34. annie Mbz

    July 7, 2015 at 2:07 pm

    My comment has to come last cos’ am suppose to lock the gate of this argument and i just did, any other comment after this my own z outside our comment gate. Funny when mama peace was shouting dia riz God o we all had a good laugh. So Isio u yaf succeeded in causing Bellawar 2015? Nne congrats its not easy at all cos breaking this Bellajarians aint a day job. dia love 4each oda na die. And u just did dat with one word “RELIGION”…. for me dat alone means there is God

  35. looters

    July 7, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    Religion is a complex thing. Unfortunately for us all, it was created by man and like all things created by man, it is endowed with all its glorious faults and flaws; the sooner we get this, the better. Opening one’s mind to other people’s way of life is a scary but a brave and loving thing to do. I didn’t fully comprehend the complexities and the magnitude of difference between one religion and another till I dated a cross-bearer (Grail Message)

  36. K.dollz

    July 7, 2015 at 2:44 pm

    My elder brother once asked our dad during one bible study session when we were kids “Daddy since Adam and Eve and their kids were the only people around when Cain killed his brother,then who was he referring to when he asked God to give him a mark so that nobody would kill him when they come across him”. My dad didn’t have the answer and till now I have still not found who does.

    • gia

      July 7, 2015 at 6:00 pm

      LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
      And what did your father say?

    • molarah

      July 8, 2015 at 3:31 am

      Hey. The answer is here: Genesis 5;4. Adam and Eve had several other children apart from Cain, Abel and Seth. In fact, Jewish historians put the number of children at about 73.

  37. Prec

    July 7, 2015 at 3:08 pm

    I do believe there is a God, I was glad that I was raised in his teaching it gave me time to build the faith part, without no questions. But now that I’m more matured, the bible is a walking contradiction. There are soooo many questions, rules that don’t make sense to me, things that I don’t think a religion that stands for love should promote. This is how I see it, I know the holy spirit ministered to the people who wrote the bible but the truth is he ministered through men who had their own biases, with their own perspectives, I think that’s Paul who was a misogynist could write about women in the way that he did, even tho it was women that stood by Jesus till the moment he was crucified, that is just one thing I can think of, there are many others. Plus there are other scriptures that didn’t make the bible. What I do is take out fluff of the bible and focus on what Jesus stood for which is Love, and I pray to him, but lately I have had many questions.

    • Rahama

      July 7, 2015 at 5:59 pm

      Prec God bless you. Your wisdom is amazing. I was gonna write the same stuff you wrote but I pressed the back button on my phone after writing my epistle but thankfully someone with my exact thoughts has written what I wrote down. The bible is contradictory simply because it was written by men with different ideologies, biases, convictions and personalities. There are numerous early Christian texts that the early Christian leaders felt were either too outlandish, crazy and downright frightening so they deemed them heresays, the book of revelation being a fine example, the early Christian fathers did not believe it was written but the apostle John. It’s the only book in the New Testament that is filled with punishment and retribution, it was hotly debated then that it was written by a Jew who became a Christian but was still holding on to his Jewish beliefs of archangels and a vengeful and a God. The history of religion also states that there were divisions in the early church as some sects were pro-Jewish, some were pro-Peter, some pro-Paul all of which are perfectly normal (as humans we always look for ways to divide ourselves).

      I’d advise people that believe that Christianity is a way of life to put their ever-cocked guns down for a minute and actually read about the history of religion without thinking someone somewhere is trying to disprove the existence of God. You can’t say God exists just by quoting the bible as your only source of information the same way Bruno and his fellow atheists cannot disprove the existence of God because of the advancement science has made in the last hundreds of years. Granted the bible says Jesus said he’s the only way to the Father but don’t you think whoever wrote that book of the bible might have added that to give his belief legitimacy? After all a staunch redeemed pastor writing about the teachings of Adeboye would try to convince his readers that Adeboye is the real deal abi (I am not in any way attacking the divinity of Christ o).

      Personally I don’t think God sees us humans akin religious lines. Man created religion that is why religion is flawed. Religion will never solve the worlds problems and doesn’t make you a better person ( case study: Nigeria). Spirituality and oneness with the Divine could help though. What is one thing that we all have in common? Our humanity. Let’s embrace it and learn to live with one another. We can argue about the superiority of one race over another and one religion over another but we cannot deny that we are all humans. This is the only truth we can all agree on. I have never seen God eye to eye but I have seen you my fellow human being and that is one truth we all have. As for me I will always choose humanity first before anything else.

      How you choose to connect to the Divine is your choice ultimately as long as you don’t harm others in the process and don’t try to disprove other people’s belief in the process of trying to legitimise your own beliefs.

      P.s. My opinion is not set in stone as it is my opinion

    • Rahama

      July 7, 2015 at 6:04 pm

      Plenty typos full my comment o. Make una no vex.

    • molarah

      July 8, 2015 at 3:49 am

      People be trying that whole humanity thing since 1900. And guess what, it doesn’t work. Please look out on youtube, the fuel project channel for an Answers series – the title of the video is A world without religion? Or something like that.

      Can’t remember if you were the one that raised the issue about Revelation, but truly anyone that disputes the authorship or authencity of that book is just, well, let me be nice. Revelation is not the complex book you are making it out to be, infact it is a repetition of many prophecies from the old testament, and we know this is a technique God uses to communicate urgency and authencity throughout the scriptures. All these arguments against the bible and it’s authors are just ignorance on display, plain and simple. My challenge to you all is to dedicate 3-months to actual study of hermeneutics, and after that read up on as many apologetics works you can find (these are readily and freely available info on the Internet, get those MBs to good use :-)). After doing this, you can come and say what you want, and i’ll hear you. But it’s simply inane to raise claims as these when the answers are everywhere, waiting for you to find them. Or maybe your aim is to just be contrary.

    • molarah

      July 7, 2015 at 7:01 pm

      See, here’s how I see it. The majority of the railing against the Apostle Paul’s writings are coming from a generation of women that want to kick against the biblical injunction to submit to their husbands. And funny enough, its not like Paul left the husbands out, he gave them some tall orders concerning how they are supposed to handle marriage and family life. Its just unfortunate the religious environment we live in tends to hammer more on what is expected of the woman. But this is a deviation from God’s word, and I don’t think it makes sense to blame God for what others have done to His Word. I hear you complaining about the characters of people that wrote the bible? Well, if there were any perfect people in the world, Jesus would not have needed to come and die.

    • Olamide

      July 7, 2015 at 9:40 pm

      @molarah the things Paul wrote aren’t God’s words. Why is that so hard to understand. He gave us his own rules based on what he thought should be done and based on history. Paul was a man, and he thought men should dominate… Not surprising, but it’s still not right. Because we are equal in the eyes of God, and balance creates peace and love. We are not blaming God (Never!) or men of the past (maybe this one a little). Only pointing out the truth, as the truth will set us free. No one was perfect then, no one is perfect now.

    • Olamide

      July 7, 2015 at 10:23 pm

      The Bible is a walking contradiction. Even you sef, you know it. Stories that don’t add up, gaps that are wider than the state of Texas. The sexism towards females is unreal. Several unanswered questions.
      An example is this one from a comment above “My elder brother once asked our dad during one bible study session when we were kids “Daddy since Adam and Eve and their kids were the only people around when Cain killed his brother,then who was he referring to when he asked God to give him a mark so that nobody would kill him when they come across him”. My dad didn’t have the answer and till now I have still not found who does.” ANSWER THAT.

      Another example from a comment above. “Christianity also suffers from the superiority complex and it says their only route is to heaven. So you mean billions of people that are not Christians are going to hell? The places that Christianity didn’t get to for example or people that died before the bible reached their village are going to hell? Does that make any sense?” ANSWER THAT TOO

      So my great grandma that died before the Bible got to our village or was even translated to our dialect she and my great grandpa who died before her has gone to hell since Jesus is the only Salvation. REALLY!!!!! I have nothing against Christianity but you guys are seriously tripping. That question is one of my most burning questions, and research, speaking to pastors, clerics etc have never been able to answer that. It makes it very unfair, that people like her didn’t get a chance to be saved because she didn’t come to recognise Jesus as her Lord and Personal Saviour. Christianity whether you believe it or not hasn’t reached ALL parts of the globe yet, so how do you answer for those souls. All gone straight to hell, y’all are seriously tripping. The hell sef for done full since na.

      Please if you tell me that balderdash about us not questioning God, or we should just have faith or God will save those billions of people in Asia and those who died before the bible got to their village, you deserve an e-slap.

  38. le coco

    July 7, 2015 at 4:01 pm

    @bolu.. that is how it should b done. . Bt unfortunately all the schools ive been to well the private ones jst seemed to b I sensitive to others…. nd one particular schol I went to actually forced the Muslim to join in the praise and worship. . A lot of ppl I knw hv complained about the same thing

  39. bruno FIERCE

    July 7, 2015 at 4:14 pm

    JESUS CHRIST! !!!!

    I asked u, how do u know the bible is God’s word, and u still went ahead to quote that same bible.

    I am questioning the authenticity of the bible and u still went ahead to quote that same bible.

    and many of u dummies are applauding ur comment.

    we have a serious problem. when u have been brain washed by religion, u can never open ur mind to common reasoning.

    u still didn’t give us a valid evidence that the bible is God’s word. someone like u believes the bible is the history of the world, which is so wrong
    u talk about prophecies. babylon, modern day iraq is a war torn country. its because of wars that why that place is on ruins. thats common logic not because a book said so.

    the sun was formed 4.6 billion years ago

    the moon was formed 4 billion years ago

    its easier to believe an ancient book that was written by a group of white men 3000 years ago that for u to sit down and reason and think and investigate.

    the books in the bible were compiled by vote incase u dont know. a group of men sat in a room and voted on which gospels etc should be in the bible.

    the white man forced that bible on us when he came to buy us as slaves

    to control a large group of people, u have to look for a way to put fear inside them, thats why religion was invented. that’s why sin was invented. thats why hell fire was created. all these things were created to put fear in the masses and control them by brainwashing. thats why when u tell someone u dont believe in god, the first thing they ask u is ” where do u plan on spending eternity”
    the fear of that thing called hell is so strong in the brains of all u religious people.

    there is nothing like god, u haven’t given me any single tangible evidence. u are quoting a bible that the whereabouts are not authentic. I have asked u how the bible came to be, u said it was god who showed them visions etc. the same visions god is showing tb joshua and adeboye abi?

    when people smoke weed or do cocaine, they get high and they see visions also. heavenly visions.

    there’s no evidence of the existence of jesus. if jesus was even from ghana or Zimbabwe will there be anything like christainity today.

    pls give us pure facts and studies not some fairy tale book. if u want to support ur points u shouldn’t be quoting the bible to begin with.

    ” But what they wrote is in complete
    harmony!”

    do u know ur precious bible has been edited thoroughly to fit a certain group of selfish people’s needs. u make me laugh I swear. the bible contradicts it self.

    by the way, a rainbow is not a sign from god that he won’t destroy the earth with water again,

    a rainbow is an optical and meteorological
    phenomenon that is caused by reflection ,
    refraction and dispersion of light in water droplets
    resulting in a spectrum of light appearing in the
    sky (culled from Wikipedia)

    so if u write exam and they tell u to define a rainbow and u write it is a sign from god, what im I even saying sef, they dont born u well to write that a rainbow is a sign from god cause u urself u know u will score a big zero.

    the truth is there but u have been brain washed thats why u can’t see it.

    • TA

      July 7, 2015 at 6:56 pm

      You asked questions which I answered but you went off in another direction. Look,believe what you will. It is your choice. But don’t say no evidence that there is God because there are. As for your poor choice of words,calling me brainwashed and all,quite pathetic. Learn to use your words okay without resorting to insults. Have a nice day

    • bruno FIERCE

      July 7, 2015 at 8:44 pm

      as usual they would run. typical christain. they always get angry and run. LOL

      u didn’t still answer my questions.

      u are basing ur religious beliefs on assumptions.

      god preserved the bible from alteration.
      god wrote the bible thru people

      oya give us evidence. u can not give.

      and ur comment has over 100 likes. nigerians are u people for real. just because u was well written that doesn’t mean it holds any water. no evidence no facts. there is zero evidence that there is a god
      there is zero evidence that the bible is the wprd of god. the white man has said the bible is the word pf god that is why people like u believe in it.

      and by the way I didnt insult u cause I knew u will play that “bruno u can pass ur comment across without insults” card.
      I didn’t insult u but u have decided to still run away like a typical spineless christain. bye

      continue decieving your self. its a shame that this ignorance will be passed down to ur children. cause that one thing I despise about religious people. they always force their kids into their religious cults. I hope one day they make a law banning parents from forcing their children into religion.

      bellanaija u better post my comment.

  40. bruno FIERCE

    July 7, 2015 at 5:12 pm

    @ta.

    u didn’t still answer my question about who wrote the bible
    and how do we know the bible is the word of god.
    u wrote a story about a boss and a secretary

    that does not explain anything. u didn’t give us any evidence.

    u ran away from the issue like a typical christain.

    ” A
    valid question is How do we know the
    bible has not been altered?
    Well, the author of the bible is not a
    human, he is most powerful Being in the
    universe. He made sure it was preserved
    and passed down till today.”

    REALLY? so this what u tell u self to reassure ur self about ur faith in an authorless book.

    u base ur belief on assumptions.

    smh
    and people are applauding ur comment. smh. nigerians I fear u people.

  41. Olamide

    July 7, 2015 at 5:35 pm

    An article written by a minister today, Why the Bible Is Not the Word of God: huff.to/1Thu8Bx via @HuffPostRelig . You would know from the way one gender was mostly condemned in the Bible that the Bible is not God’s words, and it was only written by men! And edited by men over the years! P.S I am a christian too, but I prefer to see the truth. Also read en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle_and_women . The bible had lots of interpolations, but christians have refused to open their eyes.

  42. nunulicious

    July 7, 2015 at 6:24 pm

    I find it interesting to note that it is the Christian religion that is being most discussed.
    Bruno Fierce please ask questions about the Islamic faith o. I have always been curious but each time I broach the topic with muslims their reactions leaves much to be desired. At least, the Christian faith or Christians allows you ask questions.
    Meanwhile, I thought its a commonly established fact that the bible is an authentic history book.

  43. nammy

    July 7, 2015 at 6:26 pm

    It’s 2015, after breakfast and there’s a heated debate between bruno fierce and 80 something others and counting. Am sitting in the corner, sipping my fura and observing.
    I am a Christian, I belive in God, I share the views of TA, she is my sister, but I no fit shout, not on this platform.

  44. Nero

    July 7, 2015 at 7:51 pm

    TA I am saving this your epic response for future reference.

  45. Bobosteke & Lara Bian

    July 7, 2015 at 9:37 pm

    There is no way to have a discussion of this kind without unwittingly or intentionally sounding pious, incredibly knowledgeable or supremely logical. Any of these human ranges of reasoning are nothing short of what our brains were created to do.

    I’m not God and it would be rather foolish of me to make an argument on His behalf as to whether or not He exists. Not because I cannot offer them, but because I believe any one who wishes to confirm His existence should simply ask Him. I make bold to say, however, that He owes you no obligation to answer.

    Anything you diligently seek for you would find. Whether to oppose or prove a thought you have; the preponderance of evidence would hold you sway.

    Lets not think we could approach something so beyond our realm of thinking with our given minds and expect everything to fit seamlessly. God is not in the logic of your reasoning.

  46. platinum

    July 7, 2015 at 10:08 pm

    Choi. See arguments. Most unforgettable are:
    ••Catholicism is more paganistic than Christian (Catholics versus other Christians)
    •Pentecostals care more about “prosperity” than Christ (Pentecostals versus Catholics.)
    ••Cele, Hmmmmmmn … (Everyone versus Cele worshippers *insert side-eyes chewing my )
    •So, are you saying our ancestors, who never heard of Christ before the missionaries came will all burn in hell? (Christians versus free-thinkers).
    •Jesus and Mary Magdalene? Were they lovers? (Christians versus trouble-makers) *insert-chuckle*.
    •The Bible was written by man, not God (Everyone versus Christians) Choi… see beta argument that day. Eyes were hot

    Jeez…
    Rolling on floor laughing

    • red

      July 9, 2015 at 3:01 pm

      if you read the bible well, you’ll know that those who heard the name of Jesus and dint accept are those who’ll be judged according to that. how God will judge our ancestors who never heard of Jesus or who came to the world before Jesus did is up to God..

  47. Strit Kredibility

    July 7, 2015 at 11:06 pm

    There is God and if you want to find Him its easy as ABC. Problem is doubt and unbelief. A proud heart haughty with all the worldly knowledge and given to devices of unbelief cannot God find. You must humble yourself totally in truth and in spirit for Him to reveal Himself to you. Unless perhaps He chooses you as a vessel and comes to you irrespective. You cannot be in a crowded market place with high decibel cacophonies and still wonder why you couldn’t hear the person that called your phone clearly. You have to move away to hear Him. Everybody He has revealed Himself to was separated. All we do is ask questions whose end is chiefly to disrobe rather than seek Him genuinely. God does not need our argument to be God, neither is He diminished by our constant rabble-rousing evaluation. His ways are not our ways and because He is not a function of our limitations, He would forever transcend all that we will ever come to know. Even the ones who doubt His existence yearn silently and indirectly for Him, because their inadequacies and vacuum yields to a perpetual need which His abundant Grace and Love fulfills without condition. Yoruba says Ibaje eniyan ko da ise Oluwa duro. However depraved/lost man has become, it doesn’t hinder the good work of the Lord.

    ‘The Bible is full of inconsistencies and all sorts’, is the popular refrain of the unbeliever, whose loose ways and rebellion constantly looks for a rationale to continue in that path sine die/ad infinitum

    ‘The Bible is full of the word of God which is the word of life and we are happy to be led by its instructions’. says the CHILD OF GOD

    PS. It is at a time such as this i like to be proudly on the Lord’s side

  48. Unlooking Reader

    July 7, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    For crying out loud, why do people think “Allah” is a different entity entirely. Please oh, Muslims worship God but we call him Allah. I remember in my secondary, out of about 500 students, there were less than 70 muslims and my Christian friends would come to me and say, “Kehinde, why don’t you believe in God?, what is Allah?” and i’m just looking like :/ are you people confused? loool

    • Unlooking Reader

      July 7, 2015 at 11:26 pm

      secindary school*

  49. Unlooking Reader

    July 7, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    My own is that everyone has their own beliefs. If your belief is completely different from another, no need to disrespect, just mind your business and go your own way. O tan

  50. Monisola

    July 8, 2015 at 1:47 am

    Bruno and likes
    You may try to sound smart and logical by posting your beliefs here.
    I just have something to share with you and Ces’t moi.
    You don’t have to believe anything you don’t want to but what if you were wrong.
    What if there’s more to the story of Jesus?
    What if there’s more to the prophesy from the bible and Koran?
    I pray for you and your friends who share the same view. May God open your inner mind of understanding.
    You are looking but not seeing.
    If you can recreate your breathe, your organs, even your tiniest hair then you can say there’s no God.
    If your heart stop breathing, can you breathe a life back to your body?
    If you can, then You have the right to say there’s no God.

    Historical facts, biblical facts I have none but my faith I will share with you.

  51. zeeebby

    July 8, 2015 at 9:56 am

    There are no good or bad religions/belief, there are only good or bad people! I have found over the years that the most “RELIGIOUS” people are often the bad ones.

  52. Magz

    July 8, 2015 at 10:24 am

    *sighs* Isio!!!! What this your article will cause, your hands will not be able to handle it…..lol!

    I used to be a Bible scholar (at a very young age) and i realized one thing; Christianity works by faith, the moment you begin to doubt and ask questions, the questions will continue and continue and continue.

    That being said, i follow only two rules given by Jesus Christ Himself not a disciple, or an apostle, or a prophet/prophetess etc:

    1) Love the Lord your God with all your heart, your mind, your strength and everything you have: my interpretation – the 1st 3 commandments.

    2) Love your neighbor as yourself: my interpretation – the remaining 7 commandments – treat others the way you want to be treated.

    I have seen a lot of Christians practise the first rule but disregard the 2nd rule.

    And for Molarah who claims we cannot buddy up to Jesus Christ, yes we can! Maybe not to God the Father but Jesus the Son, oh yes we can! He did not come to earth just to die for our sins, He also came so that He can identify with us, so that He can go through what we go through, so that He could be tempted the way we are tempted, so that He could know how difficult it could be sometimes to do God’s will, so that He could know what it feels like to have God (His Father) turn His back on Him, so that He could know what it feels like to be doubted even when you have good intentions, so that He could know what it feels like to be mocked.

    I believe if Jesus wanted to be treated like the Lord you cannot buddy up to, He could have stayed in heaven and done everything. But He came so that we can regard Him as a friend.

    • Blessedheart

      July 8, 2015 at 7:30 pm

      Yeah but you can only buddy up to him if you keep his commandments. I believe that’s Omolara’s point. You can’t be on the fence. You’re either ALL for him or against him. You can’t pick what part to like and what part to avoid.

  53. Manb4real

    July 8, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    I’m not an authority or anything, neither do I know it all, however, here is my take on this topic. There is God, whether our feeble human minds accept it or not, he very much exit. Secondly, I dont know about others,but Christianity is not a religion, like @unique said, it is a way of life. Science has never and can never explain who God is or how he chooses to do his things. He is Almighty. He is Spirit and those who worship him MUST do so in spirit and in truth. (John 4:22) Let me try to clear a few misconceptions.

    1. For those who dont believe in God but bliev science, pls know that no matter how developed science gets, it has never and can never explain how a complete human being is formed afetr only 9months in its mother’s womb. After 9months, a microscopic cell is formed into a complete human being, How after 21days of incubation, an egg hatches a chick, after 4months of pregnancy, a goat gives birth to a kid, healthy and bouncing. God says before we were formed, he knew us (Jeremiah 1:5). He doesnt speculate, he says so with authority bcos it is the truth and the final truth.

    2. To those who think the ways of God can be understood by educational qualification,hence a person with a Phd in theology or any related course ought to be an authority, you are mistaken. God uses the foolish things of this world to shame the wise. It is by grace we are saved, not by works ( which include studying up to Phd level) so that no one can boast ( Ephesians 2:8-9).
    In Acts of the Apostles, were the Disciples of Christ were first nick-named Christians in Antioch -yes it was a nick name; it is recorded that they were being taken note of as unschooled, ordinary men (Acts 4:13) but they behaved like Christ and did the miracles he did. It was not school that gave them that, it was being with Jesus, and up till now, any person who is truely and sincerely connected with Christ, there is a radiance about that person that can not be explained, ignored or quenched.

    3. To those who think that the Bible doesnt answer all of life’s questions; well, the Bible in itself came bcos of man’s fall. It was not so in the beginning. God communed with man one on one (Genesis 3;8-10), however after the fall ( i.e when man-woman disobeyed), God drove them out of the garden, God decided to write what he wanted in his word, it was some sort of a remedial measure.
    The word is beyond the black and white of the Bible. It is Spirit and life, but again, only those connected with the Spirit of God can access it It is concealed from those who want to use ordinary intellect to access it. It is only in Christ that the veil is taken away. (1 Corinthians 3 :14b). Paul was a very zealous and intelligent person ( a lawyer), yet he didnt know that persecuting the Church and killing Christians was persecuting christ, he thought he was working for God. Hear him confess in (2Corinthians 5:16-21). So, it goes beyond intelligence and mere human knowledge.
    “The word” is Christ himself (John 1 :1-5), if you are not in Christ, no matter how high ur IQ is and how well you are able to understand the letters of the Bible ( humanly) they dont have the power to change you or anyone else for that matter bcos the word have to be revealed to a man (Ephesians 3 :2-6). We now know in part, but a time will come, when Christ comes that all things will be revealed ( 1 Corinthians 13 :12) .

    Again, not all things that Christ did on earth was recorded 9 John 20 :25), however, the one that was recorded is enough for our fleeting, passing and short years here on earth.

    4. God doesnt need us to fight or argue for him. I encourage Christians to decease from such. God hasnt called us for that,he called us to be his witnesses and ambassadors, A witness only state what he or she knows about a case, whether or not anyone accepts it is not urs to worry about, just state the truth you know, please and please stop arguing about the bible or about God and Jesus with pple.

    Finally, God’s love still stands, it is an unconditional love and he can not deny himself, even you who deny his existence is greatly loved by him. Jesus paid the ultimate price, if he didnt love you that much, he wouldnt have had to die. His love surpasses knowledge ( Ephesians 3 :19) and the good news is even now, if you come to him, he is ready and willing to take you. Remember the dieing thief on the cross ( Luke 23 :39-43)
    JESUS LOVES YOU.

  54. red

    July 8, 2015 at 1:14 pm

    the bible talks about people submitting one to another, talks about the man loving the woman to the extent of laying down his life for her. God has always had a plan for the human race but we all confuse one another and ourselves.
    have you tried telling the holy spirit that you find stuff in the bible contradictory and he should explain them to you?..even without the bible, we human beings confuse one another with opinions and all sorts of bias so let’s leave the bible out of it first.

  55. Manb4real

    July 8, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    WOW a lot of typos, anyways the one i fell is misleading is the JOHN 20 : 25 quotation pls, it is not 9 John, it is simply John 20 :25

  56. Blessedheart

    July 8, 2015 at 7:42 pm

    I’ve learnt that arguing about religion is a waste of time and doesn’t help anyone. It only builds resentment and bitterness. If I’m going to preach, I’ll let you know what the message is and leave the Holy Spirit to do his work.. You really can’t browbeat anyone into believing.
    What I have issues with are the people that profess to be Christians and deny the fundamental. It’s simple, Christianity is a way of life not a religion and it’s all about your personal relationship with God. Any questions you have, especially from the Bible, talk to your Father, He’ll answer. But the fundamental is that Jesus is the only way to God and eternal life. If you don’t believe that, you may be religious, but you’re not a Christian. The foundation of Christianity is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Any preaching that departs from that is heresy. There are certain things that may be subject to personal interpretation in the Bible but anyone who cannot boldly declare that Jesus is the ONLY way is not a Christian.
    Note that this message is to people who profess to be Christians. I am not forcing my opinion on atheist or agnostics or any other religious people.

    • Tomisin Magz

      Tomisin Magz

      July 9, 2015 at 1:57 pm

      “I’ve learnt that arguing about religion is a waste of time and doesn’t help anyone. It only builds resentment and bitterness. If I’m going to preach, I’ll let you know what the message is and leave the Holy Spirit to do his work.. You really can’t browbeat anyone into believing.”
      This is what most Christians do not know! Christianity is a way of life!!!!!! It is very much personal! It is between you and God!

  57. BIGSPIRIT

    July 9, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    This is exactly what makes BN stand out from other blogs… You can actually LEARN something on here.

  58. Rayva

    October 9, 2015 at 9:09 pm

    @bigspirit you are right, intelligent, well written and mind probing articles to mind blowing comment that would make you laugh out loud till your boss or colleague think you are crossing the sanity line. Bella naija community drama comes with class……………….No other blog is worth it

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