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Africans in London answer the question – “Is There Too Much Immigration in the UK?”

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Immigration in the UK has taken centre-stage, especially as the country debates the European Referendum. So BattaBox wanted to find out what people from Africa – who either their parents or themselves have immigrated to the UK – think of the debate.


“I think we’re better off for immigration – the country feels richer,” says one man.

“I think at the moment there is just chaos,” says one woman.

At least half of the immigration into the UK comes from outside the EU, including many countries in Africa, such as Nigeria and Eritrea across the Sahara, Libya and the Mediterranean.

Arguments over immigration, particularly from UKIP and the elements of the Conservative political parties argue that immigrants take jobs and drive down prices, but not everyone agrees:

“I wasn’t born in the UK and I know my parents didn’t come here to sit on benefits and take money out of the system,” says one young girl.

However, whatever the debate, almost everyone agreed that perspectives in the UK have changed against immigrants.

“You hear so many people say immigrants are taking our jobs – it’s getting dark, cold,” says one young guy.

“It’s got worse because people assume immigrants are taking all the housing and jobs, but that’s not the case.”

What do you think? Is there too much immigration in the UK?

115 Comments

  1. FasholasLover

    June 21, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    It is tough to vote Brexit considering l am an immigrant. It does not matter if you were born here or naturalised. The bottom line is you are either English or not. Unfortunately though, Britain has lost one of the things that made it great – the health system. The NHS is in shambles. It takes forever to get an appointment to see your GP and the hospitals management are so contracted out that there is practically no accountability. Surprise, surprise, surprise a letter popped into my letter box yesterday morning from Lord Alan Sugar (Same letter to a thousand and one people) asking me to vote Remain. The letter ended with “Thank you for being the type of person who votes” Our politicians need to learn a lot.The referendum is serious indeed.

    • Lala

      June 21, 2016 at 11:01 pm

      @Fashola’s lover and all Africans in the Uk, please read this info I am presenting, then make up your mind.

      1. Free movement from the EU has hurt the number of Nigerians and all Africans (most non-EU) who can migrate to the UK and work here because to meet Cameron’s pledge of reducing immigration to the tens of thousands, the home office has aggressively gone after non EU migrants especially Africans. For example, non-EU NHS staff who earn below £35,000 who have been working in the NHS for a long time but don’t yet have a leave to remain will be asked to leave the Uk and apply from their country. If they fail to, they will be removed. Formerly, the requirement was £28,000.

      2. When I graduated from a UK university in 2007 and others before me in 2008, you automatically got 1 year stay (later increased to 2 years), so you can find work and gain some experience, irrespective of the salary. After those 2 years, you could then extend your visa on the points based system if your salary was up to £28.000 per annum. However, this government scrapped all those opportunities so that they can meet immigration targets, as they cannot cut or control EU migration numbers. So the immigration policies are getting harsher and harsher against non-EU members. After paying thousands of pounds to study, students from Nigeria, China, etc, do not get a chance to gain one year experience under such tough policies, which is unfair as we put in so much into the UK economy, but we are being sacrificed for low skilled migrant workers from the EU.

      3. As Nigerians and other Africans in the UK, our entry visa says, “No recourse to public funds”. The majority of highly skilled Nigerians and indeed Africans who have come to this country in the last 10 years are not allowed to claim benefits- and rightly so. Yet, we are being sacrificed for predominantly unskilled EU migrant labour.

      4. The Remain campaign seem to suggest that uncontrolled immigration from the EU is a worthwhile sacrifice for access to a market of 500 million people, but the British sell a lot to commonwealth nations, and we sell very little to them. Nigeria, South Africa and Ghana alone make up over 270 million people, just these 3 countries equal almost half of the EU market- they sell millions in goods and services to us without the burden of free movement, why the unfair treatment against us? One way to balance the deficit we have in trade with the U.K. Is a fair migration policy that allows a sizeable number of Africans to work and send money home to their families. Think of Zimbabwe, their economy is in shambles due to bad government, yet hundreds of Zimbabwean nurses are being sent home under new NHS rules in favour of EU migrants. Without these remittances, many African families and economies would be majorly challenged. See the number of Nigerians who have been deported between December last year and now, (just to meet targets while they can’t touch EU nationals), don’t forget that many Nigerians are supporting their retired parents from here. These families are being affected by enmass deportations.

      5. A vote to remain is discriminatory against non-EU nationals. Let’s have the point based system so that all non British people can have one uniform entry criteria controlled by the British people. If they need more doctors, then will issue such visas, if they need more teachers, then will grant such visas, that is fairness, not a system that discrimates a qualified nurse because she’s non -EU, yet coffe baristas can come on and take jobs from low skilled British nationals.
      6. Even the head of NIDOE, the Nigerian diaspora umbrella body for Nigerian professionals, has said that being outside the EU was a better option for Nigerians as we are skilled and the points based system favours us, compared to this skewe system that has one rule for EU people and another for us. We have a trade deficit with the U.K.- meaning they sell more to us than we do to them, immigration helps us send lots of money back to our country.

      The other time I was filling an NHS application form, they stated clearly that preference would go to the EU nationals over me, yet Britain has been trading with commonwealth nations like Nigeria and Ghana and South Africa since the 1800’s, we speak English, we don’t need interpreters for our children to join the educational system and we are not a drain on the British economy, we are more than net contributors.

      Finally, being in the EU has hurt African exports to Britain. South African wines have tariffs imposed on them because they are from outside the EU, making it more expensive to buy and so retailers go more fr French wines. EU hurts Kenyan and Ugandan Argo exports because there are tariffs imposed on them with stringent measures our farmers can’t compete with. Even sugar beets from sugar cane from Nigeria and other African countries have had tariffs slapped n them, making them too expensve and not competitive. If the UK votes to leave, Africans and indeed the commonwealth nations can trade without these ruthless and unfavourable EU tariffs. Nigerian international students in the US and some other nations now have a better chance of finding work in those countries after graduating I was told, yet, in the UK, you now have to go back home to apply that job, making it more expensive and extremely difficult for international Students to gain experience and get a fair chance. VOTE LEAVE!

    • lacey

      June 21, 2016 at 11:39 pm

      My [email protected] Lala dear your points are so valid! Let that one be talking about Alan Sugar’s stupid letter! I left the Uk in 2009 when I saw the trend in the Uk, I moved back to Nigeria. Although I currently live in the US, Brexit is the only option,if not their infrastructure will collapse! For me I am a global citizen,as I do not like to tie myself to a country,so I allow God to work my destiny out than by force paper level! We are watching Donald and his moves here in the US! If you have the opportunity to vote,vote out so the UK can use the Australian points based systems! It will change the quality of the kind of people entering the Uk. The last time I was in London, apart from central London,it was looking so shabby like I was in rural India!

    • nunulicious

      June 21, 2016 at 11:55 pm

      @Lala, na wa. All this epistle on top another man country! you better be a dual passport holder and better be eligible to vote in this referendum.

      You raise valid points sha. But i’ll be annoying and simplistic in my response and say, you sound like an intelligent person, why don’t you and those like you come back home to Nigeria and dash us some of your brain? E be like say our diplomatic team fit use person like you, your head dey there.

    • Ladybird

      June 22, 2016 at 12:26 am

      insightful analysis! I was having a discussion with someone yesterday about this issue. I will be showing this to her to make her understand better.

    • FasholasLover

      June 22, 2016 at 2:17 am

      @lacey, what is stupid about the letter? And what is it with “that one”?

      See ehn, your foolishness is your birth right and l cannot fault or challenge you on that even if l want to. It seems you are content to play dead. Sorry l don’t.

      If l comment on a post and you feel the need to move your two left legs from your lane and come rain on my parade, better be sure amma clap back at you. By all means disagree with me but if you want to show yourself, l will put you to work.

      Alainitiju. Aku ma moju di bi eja shawa. I hope you understand that. If you don’t, sorry l cannot help you.

    • Politics

      June 22, 2016 at 6:47 am

      Lala u hit it right on the head. I visited my sister in the UK in 2005, she is a nurse. I told her I could never stay in UK, infact the whole of Europe. I warned her that as the EU gets bigger, Africans will suffer. I’m a professor in International Relations. Moreso, my question is why do all these former Russian “colonies” not move to Russia? Russia is sitting pretty and smiling. The EU has run its course. Scrap the whole thing! do u know that the EUACP (agric. policy) has the second biggest budgets? African farmers who have no support from the govt (World bank instructions to liberal the economy) stand no chance to compete with EU farmers… In short, our leaders and our people need to shine eye!!!! We need to work together in Africa! for the time being, UK needs to exit the EU!

    • Chi

      June 22, 2016 at 7:04 am

      LALA
      You are too much! Chop knuckle!!!
      I already voted via postal vote and I voted LEAVE!!!!!

      As an NHS worker , you can’t apply for training to become a specialist until the UK and then the EU migrants have had their pick and then you take the left overs.

      I am not anti-immigration, but we Africans jumped through hoops meeting all the criteria to get visas and getting all these medical qualifications, then an EU migrant will just saunter in and take what we should be entitled to just because their EU. Equal opportunities for all migrants – let them compete on the same platform as us, meeting the same criteria and stop queue jumping.

    • Liz

      June 22, 2016 at 3:49 pm

      @Lala you made valid points but solely based from one perspective (as an African living in the UK) but you also forget that many UK nationals are also immigrants in other countries. For instance, there are many UK nationals living in Spain. Their ‘excuse’ so to speak is they moved due to bad weather conditions etc. These UK nationals are also immigrants just like Africans are immigrants in the UK, both having different reasons for emigrating of course.

      My question to you now is what do you want these UK nationals (immigrants) to do in this situation? They benefit from the fantastic health care in Spain, they set up their businesses in Spain with no hassle in comparison to in the UK where taxes are extremely high amongst other things.

      This is just one of many examples, In my opinion, I don’t think voting to leave solely based on your perspective as an African immigrant is entirely right as you should also think and ask, : “what should UK immigrants in other EU countries do?”

      Many point of views to look at and draw conclusions, The United Kingdom can remain in the EU and have their OWN laws since they maintained their currency, why can’t they remain and make their own rules? They did it with their currency so they can do it in this case too without causing any harm.

    • Refugee

      June 22, 2016 at 4:21 pm

      lacey, you are a very rude bombomclat. London is like india. pls. what part of London or uk were you living in? When people like you do not have papers to live in a country or able to afford decent accommodation you destroy with your mouth. Bloody refugee roaming around the world.

    • Mr. Egghead

      June 21, 2016 at 11:07 pm

      It is true that the NHS is in a mess, but there is no guarantee that all the money saved from the EU will be ploughed in the revamp it. Besides, the NHS is severely understaffed despite EU workers. What if those EU workers were to leave?
      Some of my friends in Scotland tell me that there are so many EU funded projects in some area that voting Bremain is a no-brainer. Besides, if UK leaves the EU, the Scots will immediately start agitations for another referendum and the pie will keep getting smaller.

      The EU is essentially broken and it has to be fixed, because the richer countries are going to keep cleaning up the mess of the poorer countries. The status quo is definitely not good as Britain keeps playing sugardaddy for the EU but I honestly can’t see how leaving the EU would make things better. Boris Johnson keeps giving hopeful rhetoric but as that can’t run an economy. All the huge sums of money they would be saving would have to revalued/devalued after the GBP takes a huge hit, as expected.

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 1:12 am

      @ Egghead, I will attempt to address the issues you raised.

      1. The NHS and understaffing- Firstly, the EU staff in the NHS are not going to be sent away if Brexit is a reality. Is the NHS currently under staffed? Why is the home office asking non-EU NHS staff to leave f they are not earning £35k and above? One would expect they would do anything to keep all their skilled nurses, etc. Forget the scaremongering. If the UK needs 10,000 nurses today, the Philipines and Nigeria or Zimbabwe can supply those numbers in one month. Lagos can supply 5,000 nurse in 2 weeks, what are we saying, even if you made the application fee N100k. Also, have you thought for a minute that it is understaffed because it is overwhelmed by excessive uncontrolled immigration?

      2. Scotland. You raised 2 issues with Scotland. Firstly, here are the reasons why Scotland can’t leave Great Britain if we Brexit:
      – All countries joining the EU now, MUST join the Eurozone and adopt it as their national currency. Nobody, no politician in Scotland nor the Scottish people will accept the euro as their currency, because once Greece defaults, it’s taking that currency with it. The euro is a failing currency and is affecting the economy of Greece, Italy and Portugal incredibly. Scotland will not have another referendum to leave the UK because if it leaves the UK, it has to join the EU, but the Scotts and all of Britain are glad today that we did not adopt the Euro.
      – The SNP who spearheaded the campaign for Scotland to leave the EU based all their economic arguments on Scottish oil from the North Sea. Then oil was about $100 per barrel, now it’s hovering around the $50 mark. Scotland cannot sustain its economy on this oil price.
      – Scotland has the largest sovereign debt in the UK compared to their GDP. Europe will not accept countries with such massive debts anymore. That’s why you hear everyone saying the banks cooked the books to hide Greece’s sovereign debt to enable it enter the EU knowing it was unsustainable. Watch Brexit- the movie on YouTube.
      – As for EU funded projects in Scotland, ask your self, where did the money come from in the first place? Is it not part of the money Britain gave to the EU in the first place. People are acting like the EU is a business that actually makes money. It simply takes from one member state and hands over to another, then if there’s change, they refund to you. We can appropriate money directly from westminster to Hollyrood, why should Juncker do it for us?

      ** these are not my points, they were put forward by a Scottish opposition in this debate based on figures and analysis.

      Just watch Brexit the movie and you would be shocked. Ever heard of TTIP? Just watch the movie. The EU is owned and run by the major global companies across the world and it’s a mess. The UK does not need all these many treatise they are arguing about in most instances.’They are needed for big corporates, not the small businesses in the UK selling online and shipping their deliveries via the post office and DPP. So many countries trade with EU and don’t have treatise with them, e.g, the US, China, etc. Over 800,000 German cars are bought by Brits every year, if they tried to block trade with the U.K., what I’ll the Uak do? Block their cars from coming here as well. Think about how many people’s jobs are on the line if we suddenly block those cars from coming in? The opposition party in Germany will use t in elections against Merkel. Also, if France tries to impose tariffs on British goods, we do same to their cheese and wines. Trade works both ways. Switzerland just withdrew their request to join the EU- why do you think so? Of course they are calculating. If the UK leaves, the 2nd largest contributors, the burden will shift to them.

      Are you ready to continue bailing out Greece? Have you watched the video of Grrek people being handed free food on the streets? It’s that bad. Perhaps, Nigeria is in a better state than Greece.

    • LemmeRant

      June 22, 2016 at 10:08 pm

      Don’t stay in your country. I never pity all these migrants for any reason.

      They built their own country, developed it, fought for their democracy and continually protect it. But you want to be the one enjoying all the benefits.

      You cannot develop your own country. You don;t want to invest in your country, You don’t want to add any value to it..

      Newsflash, you’ll always be second class (if not 3rd class) citizens. Their animals sef get right pass you, but you don’t mind, since you cannot see the usefulness of adding value to where you are.

      I know my worth, I cannot let one white man come and be calling me monkey because I’m living in their country. But if you don’t mind put up and deal with it.

      Shior.

  2. Temi

    June 21, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    Letter from Alan Sugar? When did he become a politician? Am I missing something here….? The only letters that have been sent were one from the government outlining the pros of Remain while the others have been from pressure groups voting for Stay. Never knew private businessmen were now getting involved in official lobbying for either camp, celebrities as expected have tweeted and stuff but not formal letters. Sounds strange.

    • Ada

      June 21, 2016 at 11:24 pm

      Lord Alan Sugar duh!

    • Duh

      June 22, 2016 at 8:50 am

      Don’t be a dunce Ada, of course we know who Alan Sugar is.

    • FasholasLover

      June 22, 2016 at 12:38 am

      Well, l got one and you should too if you are on the electoral roll.
      @Lala, that was a very convincing argument.

    • FasholasLover

      June 22, 2016 at 12:50 am

      Alan Michael Sugar, Baron Sugar is an English business magnate, media personality, and political advisor.

    • Wikipedia

      June 22, 2016 at 1:44 am

      Temi, He is also a politician and an influencer.
      Occupation: Entrepreneur, celebrity, author, politician. Her Majesty Enterprise Advisor. Member House of Lords – Wikipedia

      What you get and from whom will depend on where you live.

  3. Temi

    June 21, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    *voting for Leave, not Stay.

    • Temi is an Idiot

      June 22, 2016 at 12:02 pm

      @Temi you are educated and you dont know who Alan Sugar is? All you people commenting for commenting sake.

    • Temi

      June 22, 2016 at 2:04 pm

      Before you open your illiterate mouths to yarn dust, my point was Alan Sugar is known as a businessman rather than a politician, which is why I found the idea of him sending letters strange. I knew him solely from The Apprentice, never as a politician. So remove the log in your eye before typing crap.

    • lmao

      June 22, 2016 at 2:25 pm

      Is knowing Lord Sugar an accomplishment? Inferiority complex will not kee some of you. Busybody.

    • Just Negodu

      June 22, 2016 at 3:12 pm

      The problem is not because she does not known who he is. The idiotic question is asking if he is a politician. A simple google search would have covered her ignorance.

  4. Seun

    June 21, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    Let Britain leave Europe please,their noise is too much.Very selfish and arrogant country.
    They are still leaving in the past glory.Germany,France,Holland,Belgium,Spain and even Italy are all moving on stronger.

    • Lala

      June 21, 2016 at 11:20 pm

      @Seun, don’t criticize them for wanting to control their borders. Nigerians did it back in the 70,s or 80’s. We asked Ghanaians to leave at a point didn’t we? Remember Ghana must go. Any one would do it, it’s their country, their right. When things fail in our country- our hospitals, etc, we sit on our butts and complain. When things failed in their nation, they got up and fought for it, their fathers and grand fathers paid with their blood. In Nigeria, when negligence kills someone in a hospital, we refuse to sue, yet we want a nation where there’s freedom of the judiciary and safe health care, no one will give it to us, as we have refused to fight for in our land.

      Their country, their way!

    • Sisiscarlett

      June 22, 2016 at 7:51 am

      Thanks for your insightful analysis. It really has been helpful

    • Byn

      June 22, 2016 at 8:03 am

      Your IQ level is frankly commendable!

    • BrexitLady

      June 22, 2016 at 2:32 am

      Living in the past not Leaving. Why do Nigerians always fuck up this word. You keep making this error.

      And by the way Brexit leaves France, Germany, Italy will follow. There is nothing arrogant about protecting your sovereignty. I am african with dual citizenship to UK and even I am fed up. The shit happening in UK is too much. We want the Australian, Norway and Swiss way. Enter on point system. Simple. No open Gate wide to allow wide influx of opportunist and criminals just cos British are so lenient they want to take advantage . You are Polish yet your children are living in Poland as you live and work in UK and you are claiming child benefits for those kids living in Poland. If this Brexit will help also eliminate all our Nigerian criminals living here doing fraudulent stuff to disgrace us so be it. Respect British land don’t take their leniency to be a weakness

  5. Ngozi

    June 21, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    Lol. As an immigrant, i am voting leave. I agree 100% with everything Lala said. Uk doesn’t need to keep pumping all that money to the Eu which not democratic at all and its affect their business with commonwealth nations. Vote leave!!!

  6. nunulicious

    June 21, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    na wa. All this epistle on top another man country! you better be a dual passport holder and better be eligible to vote in this referendum.

    You raise valid points sha. But i’ll be annoying and simplistic in my response and say, you sound like an intelligent person, why don’t you and those like you come back home to Nigeria and dash us some of your brain? E be like say our diplomatic team fit use person like you.

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 1:42 am

      Actually, you don’t need to have dual citizenship to vote in this elections. All commonwealth nationals can vote. Essentially, if you voted in the mayoral election you are most likely to be able to vote in this referendum, except your country is outside the commonwealth, Follow the link below for link of commonwealth countries. If your country was colonised by Britain, you are most likely in the commonwealth. Zimbabwe has been expelled, I believe.

      thecommonwealth.org/our-member-countries

  7. Lady

    June 22, 2016 at 12:10 am

    I am an immigrant but i am voting leave unfortunately. The influx in the last year has been choking .Eastern Europeans are now in every CORNER literally. I think the reason why they are in our faces is because when they come into the uk they are immediately entitled to more or less all the benefits unlike when your from africa you are made to suffer. They commit more crimes now than blacks, they are taking over businesses from the Asains who are know to run corner shops mostly , they are very rude and loud acting with a sense of entitlement, when they come into the uk they come in numbers, they are all of a sudden now managers and will rather employ their own. This has its pros and cons obviously because investors will no longer invest in our econony but they there will be a rise in pay because they will no longer be able to employ people that will rather do the jobs for minimum wage. Good or bad, leave or stay we will survive

    • Grace

      June 22, 2016 at 6:07 am

      “they are very rude and loud acting with a sense of entitlement, when they come into the uk they come in numbers, they are all of a sudden now managers and will rather employ their own. ”
      Hi Lady thanks for stating the obvious. Oh my Lord! I shared the same opinion with a friend and she said let my personal experience not dampen my opinion.
      My GP referred me to see a specialist. It was one of these Eastern European. She came in late. Didn’t apologize. Kept rolling her eyes. I let that pass. I didn’t report her being unprofessional in a lot. of things.
      Fast forward few months later I work with one. Who lies a lot. I noticed that another christian lady body language around her. But this Christian lady didn’t confided in me. Anything. I thank God. For one needs to grow in discernment. This manager lies a lot. She gave me BAD feedback that my mouth even dropped open. Unfortunate for her during my interview it was one of the questions I asked and the response I got from the interview was WHoa! And it was the interview she gave bad report to. She will say one thing to me another to her managers. Then they employed her friend. He is my subordinate. rude to me shout at me at the top of his voice. Instead of her even reprimanding him she would instead send me an email with a joke. See the way she talks to me. God is amazing because I will just be calm. I know it’s not me but God. I asked him a question, he shouted at me even my colleagues got up from their desk. The following day he started being loud that I don’t want to help him. Trying to poison my colleagues about me. Another colleague of theirs was training me. God help me. The bad feedback she gave. I just gave it to God. She didn’t achieve what she tried, so she went and baked cake. Only one person in the office ate her cake. She asked me have you tried it. I said I wouldn’t be having a piece. God doesn’t like dirty.
      They believe they are so entitled more than us black people. And UK will not be UK with it’s cosmopolitan nature with such characters like these that only think of themselves and not the vision of the country. In my own opinion I believe that’s what led their nations to doom. For they only have self interest. Conquer Conquer They never look at the bigger picture. Diplomacy isn’t their nature. I have an unease with them and can’t place my finger. I don’t trust them!
      It’s for the above reason I would like UK to leave. But I have learned of the economic reparcuations and I think because of that UK will not leave. I think Cameron will implement some policies or conditions.
      We are all human beings, God doesn’t like dirty. To me this debate is a wake up call for all of them to note that we have to cohabit.

  8. segzie

    June 22, 2016 at 12:46 am

    I am 100% sure those Nigerians voting leave are those that have their UK Passports!!!!! the voting has not commenced, neither have the results been announced for the UK to leave the EU and already it has claimed the life of an MP based on hatred motivated actions. I tell ya!!!! by the time UK leaves the EU, walahi, the racism no go get part 2, the EU laws that protects Nigerians and others alike would be swept under the carpet, because of EU laws, blacks and other ethnicity are given fair chance of employment due to laws that supports a balance in ethnicity employment within an organisation. if you apply for a job, you fill in the general questionnaire and alas, the section “Race/Ethnicity”, na from there them dey sieve the wheat from the shaft. Me no want dey waka for streets dey hear oyinbo dey tell me “Black bastard go back to where your ancestors are from” as this referendum dey give them power to make anyone wey no be “Anglo saxon” an automatic third class citizen!!!!!!!!!

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 2:05 am

      Actually, those without an EU passport need a better immigration policy. If immigration minister says today that as a non-EU worker, if you’re not earning £40k per year, you have to leave. Do you know how many Nigerians and other Africans would go home? There’s nothing stopping the home office from doing that. If they raised it to £35k, they can raise it to £40k, it’s just £5k difference. That singular policy alone, can send over 100,000 Nigerians home. Think how many pensioner parents are being supported by 100,000 of their children in the UK! Remember many Nigerian pensioners have not seen 2 years pay. If not for their children here, many would be dead.

      Do you know how much we have sent home since the naira fell? Millions of pounds, people even borrowing to buy landed property quickly before the naira rises again. If Britain remains, the next elections will be about who can reduce migration from non-EU nations and they will raise the salary target, I can promise you. They did it last year because of elections and they will do it if Britain remains, to appease voters. Our economy is so fragile now, we need these remittances please.plus adding 100,000 plus unemployed people to what we have in Nigeria is bad bad bad for the Nigerian economy.

    • olabisi

      June 22, 2016 at 2:35 am

      After Brexit and the Immigration issue is not d eldorado u r thinking of who’s next the brown and black skin ppl . Don’t be deceived by their rhetoric my dear sister , it’s not about the the d EU nationals its all about getting rid of those they think that don’t look like them, cus most of their complain is that their way of life and British value has been eroded y d influx of migrants

    • Oloye

      June 22, 2016 at 10:09 am

      Oh boy (or na lady!), you sabi no be small.

      Honestly, we have been having this argument week-long in my office and I have supported Bremain just by looking at the benefits that Brits currently enjoy. But you have intelligently won me over. Great and in-depth analyses there! #TeamBrexit!

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 11:14 am

      @iyaalaje, I get your point about protection from racism, etc- which is guaranteed by the British law not EU laws. But sebi na person when e dey inside UK na him go fit fight for him right? Formerly, you could appeal a negative immigration court judgement while in the UK, now, you have to go home to appeal. Some Nigerians don’t see yet how this affects them but when the threshold for Tier 1 and Tier 2 visas are raised beyond £35,000 then it will begin to affect them. We should not wait for something to affect us as individuals first, if it affects fellow Africans, it affects us. Saying that the EU is what guarantees your right as a black person in the UK is just not true. It is British courts and Black British people like Doreen Lawrence- (mother of the late Lawrence who was stabbed to death) who fought institutional racism in the Metpolice and sir Lenny Henry who continue to criticize the lack of minorities in the BBC, that has now brought about a minority ethnic recruitment for certain jobs in the UK- which White British. people cannot apply for, which is a bit unfair (imagine advertising a job in Lagos and saying Yoruba’s can’t apply) These people and many others have fought and won rights for black people in Britain, not EU. We as black people must continue to integrate into British society, we have 4 or 5 Nigerian MP’s and 3 Ghanaian MP’s. The British society is generally a class based society, meaning people will associate more with others in their economic bracket- white or black, than with poorer people, white or black. Haven’t you heard them refer to some poor white people as white trash?

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 5:20 pm

      I don’t have a Britsh passport yet.

  9. BrexitLady

    June 22, 2016 at 2:23 am

    I am British citizen living in US though I plan on relocating back to UK and Brexit is the only way out guys mark my words. This election is going to be rigged on Thursday. Why…?trust met Thursday votes will be rigged. How come we were leading last week and as we get closer today now they are talking about 50% /50%. Unless I see at least a 5%lead tomorrow. I am 100% positive it’s going to be rigged. And the Americans are involved because brexit is not to their favor. Brexit happens, frexit and gerxit will follow and this will crumble NATO , once NATO crumbles they won’t have support to go to war as they plan with Russia cos instead of Brussel EU approving, British voters can say no and Brussels can not dictate. it’s a huge conspiracy. I want you to go on youtube and type in Dr Craig Roberts on EU referendum Brexit

  10. nene

    June 22, 2016 at 4:04 am

    lmao at nigerians saying eastern europeans have become too much in england. is europe your homeland?

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 11:38 am

      @Nene, there are over 500,000 people born to migrant Nigerian parents who were born and raised in the UK. They have never been to Nigeria and the U.K. Is the only country they know. They are just as British as Boris Johnson, the son of immigrant Turkish parents- no more no less. You can’t tell them to come back home. Home for them is Britain just like home for Angela Merkel is Germany- despite her paternal grandfather coming from Poland.
      Those Nigerians born in the UK have a completely British mindset, orientation and most of its culture. They are more considerate and objective in their arguments and when I grow old and die, that’s about it for my children and many descendants of Africans born in the Uk- their ties to Africa is only as neck deep as us their parents, when we leave, they have little else connecting them to Africa. A few may come pay their bride price in Nigeria, like the Ejiofors, and threats about it. They call themselves Brtish people with Nigerian parents.
      I think our children born here should look inward into Britain, integrate, become captains of Industries and CEO’s, gain more seat in parliament and one day contest to become prime minister- why not? Obama is the son of a Kenyan immigrant! I am not saying our children should deny their roots, I am saying we Nigerians and indeed Africans should stop taunting them with ‘come back home’.

  11. lacey

    June 22, 2016 at 4:35 am

    @ Fashola or whatever you call yourself,it is very clear that you have serious comprehension issues! It is so sad that you just clearly do not understand simple English! I come here to have fun and enjoy myself after a hard day’s job,so you just ended up raining insult on your lack of understanding ,displaying your high level stupidity! I guess you belong to group of I live in London with no proper qualification and understanding of policies,but wanting to comment first on international issues you have no inkling on!

    • NK

      June 22, 2016 at 12:35 pm

      Go and cry elsewhere. You were rude and got served Ms America. London is like India but you are happy living in the projects/bronx in America. Live and let live.

    • lmao

      June 22, 2016 at 2:24 pm

      Both of them are rude and insultive, so they both served themselves, simple. Ethnic tribalist jam street fighter. Eod.

    • Chiz

      June 22, 2016 at 2:45 pm

      @lmao, Lacey came to hv fun and looked for trouble on d way. I was waiting for FL to clap back. Girl can clap. She no sabi tolerate nonsense.
      Pls. Who is dat insulting our Tosin?

    • lacey

      June 23, 2016 at 3:02 am

      @NK, even if I live in the Bronx is still better than highly priced Lekki Phase 1 or is it Ikoyi ?that you pay hand and leg for rent,but turns river Lagos during the rainy season,the most expensive slums in the world! God will have to forbid me to stay in the projects! If you must know I live in the Golden State o!, @Lmao you are so right FL met a Jackie Chan!

    • Nerve

      June 23, 2016 at 7:31 pm

      You must really be vexed to come back and see who abused you or who clapped for you.. You are so keen to prove you are living well. Who knows you online? I put it to you that you are suffering and fronting. You are truly a shameless person like Fl said. Don’t be deceived you were rubbished. Pls. Come back tomorrow to count how many people abused you.

  12. Victor Adegoke

    June 22, 2016 at 6:31 am

    Nigerians that are in the United Kingdom,if Britain does not favour you,come back home. According to Nene is “UK Your Country?

  13. Chioma

    June 22, 2016 at 7:29 am

    As a Nigerian in the UK I have been wondering how to vote. However after going through this post I have more clarity.

  14. ifeanyi

    June 22, 2016 at 7:43 am

    VOTE LEAVE!!!

    EU is a Sinking Ship. Get out of a Sinking Sheep when you can…If Bremain holds, Trust me…UK would regret in the coming years!!!

  15. Ephi

    June 22, 2016 at 7:55 am

    I’m still undecided and may simply just abstain from voting. The fact that Ukip guy Farage supports Leave makes me very skeptical about the Leave group though.

    • Anon

      June 22, 2016 at 11:17 am

      @Ephi – don’t abstain. It’s also because of him that i turn my face at Brexit. Cast your vote.

    • Ephi

      June 22, 2016 at 8:24 pm

      Thanks. I’ve decided. It’s Remain for me.

    • Bebabe

      June 22, 2016 at 10:32 pm

      @ Ephi, I was going to ignore the letter as well when I had the conversation of either to stay or leave with my Dad (He is in Nigeria), He argue that leaving would be better, but after I weight it based on so many things, I voted to remain. It is my choice. If after tomorrow the country decided to leave, I’ll still go with the flow.

    • Ephi

      June 22, 2016 at 11:00 pm

      Hi Bebabe, I agree, it wasn’t an easy decision but at the end of the day, we each must go for the option we personally believe in based on available facts.

  16. Tosin

    June 22, 2016 at 7:59 am

    “who either their parents or themselves have immigrated ” is bad grammar.
    “who” here acts as a “relative pronoun” so it refers (back) to the “noun” that comes before it i.e. “people from Africa”
    and you won’t say people from Africa who their parents have…. (well, a lot of Nigerians say it but nooooooo) . you’d say people from Africa whose parents have…

    a lot of people need to know this… yes, it matters. recently, my guy made a great track, classic music, with a big gbagaun in it, this same “dependent clause” matter. should be easy enough to edit someday. the song i mean.

    • Md

      June 22, 2016 at 9:02 am

      Pls , – off. Go and Invest this much energy in yoruba language.

    • LemmeRant

      June 22, 2016 at 10:44 pm

      @Md

      Almighty God in heaven will continue to bless you and your generation.

  17. BlueEyed

    June 22, 2016 at 8:08 am

    African Migrants who support Brexit don’t see the bigger picture, start with the EU migrants (who seemingly are of the same race as them) and then unto the African Asian and Arab migrants, and trust me there will be harsher policies for the later

    • Chi

      June 22, 2016 at 8:54 am

      If you vote remain , you (non UK passport holder) will be sacrificed on the altar of immigration after the referendum to appease the British people.

      Watch and see.

  18. hmm

    June 22, 2016 at 9:47 am

    All this plenty epistle on top of another’s man country!!
    A country where you can NEVER be accepted whether you have the red passport or not, whether you speak like them or not.

    To be honest, besides economic opportunities, I don’t know why any person would choose to live in the UK? Boring, dull and subtly racist country.

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 7:02 pm

      @ hmm, ‘boing, subtly racist country, yet people are risking their lives crossing the Mediterranean Sea to get here. Tell you what, I have access to the best health care system on the world, free education for my children, no burglary proofs on my window, I will sleep tonight without worry about Nepa, etc, if that is bad, let me do bad, thank you!

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 7:03 pm

      I observe all my typos are.

  19. Lovita

    June 22, 2016 at 9:56 am

    Please the best option is to vote leave, the Uk is pretty much powerless as the EU dictates 60% of thier laws. As a commonwealth citizen with a right to vote, I will vote leave. The NHS and public services are crumbling, if they remain, uk will turn into Greece begging for good. The EU wants uk to stay, so they can keep milking and taking thier money. Trust me, other EU countries wants to leave too, so once uk leaves, they will start falling out our the EU. And people should stop calling them racists for wanting to put thier country and citizens first and back in order.

  20. Pakute

    June 22, 2016 at 10:03 am

    @Lala Pls declare your present immigration status to us so we can continue the conversation from there.

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 5:23 pm

      @Pakute, I don’t have a British passport yet, just a work permit.

  21. Iyaalaje

    June 22, 2016 at 10:09 am

    It seems so far on this thread I am in the minority, I will be voting stay. I was leaning towards voting leave but I have decided to vote stay after reading and watching a lot of argument from both sides.. The Conservative party especially has never had the interests of the masses regardless of being an immigrant or not. Immigration should not be the only reason to vote leave but the leave campaign is relying solely on that. I believe they can tighten immigration laws when it come to EU migrants and I don’t think all the promises made by the leave campaign will be met one bit. The leave campaign are still not making clear what happens after leaving or what happens to EU migrants that are hardworking and have settled lives just like any other non EU Migrants. Yes the leave campaign have very valid points but nothing is certain once UK leaves the EU especially with the government in place. EU migrants are not immediately entitled to benefits, They have certain criteria to meet and I think those criteria’s can be tightened to make it fair for non EU Migrants and I think this is more possible than what UK has to lose leaving the EU. UK is not the only country Nigerian’s can migrate to and when we talk about EU migrants being loud and obnoxious, a lot of Nigerians are too. We are complaining about what we have been guilty of and still guilty of. At the end of it all, everyone will vote according to what they see as priority and for me and my family we are voting for UK to stay.

    • Mz Socially Awkward...

      June 22, 2016 at 1:01 pm

      [BN, your reply button seems to be off kilter today. I’ve tried to reply to Iyaalaje’s comment and it keeps taking me to the top of the page]

      @Iyaalaje,I have to agree with you and I actually used to be in the Brexit camp but lately realised that Boris and his team have been very cagey about any real plans for the economy when we leave.

      I mean, Lala makes really good points – excellent ones for opting out of the EU – but I’m not fully convinced that the powers-that-be have a way forward. We on the ground level have all these theories but I’m not hearing anything more concrete from the top regarding our future after the EU.

      Although, I’ll admit that I’m still not 100% certain about what way I’ll vote tomorrow… And @Nene and everyone else saying it’s not our country… that is some seriously backward rhetoric you’ve put forward there, people. So you can’t have a say about the future of a nation you contribute your taxes towards and where you call home because you happen to originally be from somewhere else? If any of you happens to live outside of your father’s village hamlet, can I ask if you voted in the government elections when they were held in your adopted states of residence? You did? Why?? Who are you to have a say about the outcome of any elections, outside of your ancestral LGA?

      For as long as we’ve chosen to be part of this country, it’s our home and we will actively exercise our voices when we choose to vex about any policies (EU immigration and otherwise) that we don’t agree with … inugo? I understand it’s an alien concept to how we do things in Nigeria – that Lagos-is-for-the-Lagosians saga fleets briefly to mind – but thank God for giving David Cameron the good sense to realize that if he’s collecting my taxes, he better be able to let me decide on what I want this country to spend it on (those EU benefits must be reviewed), regardless of whatever colour of passport I arrived with from “my country”.

    • Mz Socially Awkward...

      June 22, 2016 at 1:04 pm

      … that should have been *flits”…

    • whocares

      June 22, 2016 at 1:37 pm

      @Iyalaje, im with you and im voting stay. As far as i’m concerned its a no brainier. Firstly, the conservative government is not known for its lenient policies towards immigrants and immigration, so let us start from there. I do immigration law, and the main thing that saves my client is when they plead their rights under article 8 of the echr. If we leave the EU, the chances of the UK leaving the ECHR is very high and this is one of the main reasons this referendum came about.. It seemed that eu law and echr laws are too permissive and not so much invasive. It has given courts power to declare unfair parliamentary laws as incompatbile with ecj or echr etc.. which then leads you to question, who will check the parliament in those situations the judges cannot make a declaration of incompatibility? Uk judges for all their independence always give way to parliamentary sovereignty in decision making.. therfore as it concerns immigrants, those saying its the eu citizens affecting non eu *yimu* it will not get better for non eu citizens but that is the lie they feed you.
      secondly, economy. the UK has gained more from being in the EU than it will gain from being outside of it; and this isnt talking about small businesses and people migrating etc. Its about the very big companies that have set up shop in the UK since it became more accessible.. so all that talk about bailing Greece etc, its just talk The uk economy realistically is not worse off from being in the EU. you only have to pick up a copy of the financial times to verify this. If your name is not john or jane and you are not white british, leaving the EU is not in your best interest regardless of what you tell yourself. For some reason, this referendum has far reaching consequences and it is raising xenophobic levels to an all time high.. wo i cant be typing articles on this.

  22. concerned9a

    June 22, 2016 at 1:36 pm

    Hope I haven’t repeated what someone might have uttered…
    OUT of EU..as being propagated would not benefit people of ethnicity don’t be fooled only using us to make the numbers up…
    People still see colour first and appearances count a lot in the UK it makes them more comfortable..they pretend and tolerate and can be two-faced even to their own..
    Let’s step back into the Blair years..the plan was to get rid of all non-British born immigrants and replace them with the EU Citizens…however that flipped on three sides
    1.A good number of free movement EU citizens that migrated actually came to milk the free services…hence the outrage at lack of Council houses..Benefits and Health services.
    2.The money generated from Non EU immigrants such as VISA fees and other costs dried up.
    remember they have no access to free homes-free health and had steep taxes!!
    3.Some EU countries passports were easy to acquire which extremists exploited and used to
    cross borders into places like France-Germany-Sweden-UK etc.
    Roll forward…a friend of mine made me laugh saying Highly skilled Immigrants would be now have more opportunities..I’m thinking so in your mind they would choose a Highly skilled EU citizen over a Non EU…doubt much!!..
    For Ethnic people nothing would change just the same hustle and having to be over qualified that the Natives to get the same job..either Manual or Professional..
    Besides Conservatives are not called that for fun..CONSERVATIVE..built on a premise of Anti-Immigration..
    IN the EU…doesn’t benefit us either especially those Immigrants planning to come to the country..
    Either way…we get zilch brownie points…let them oyinbo that caused the furore sort themselves out!!
    Remember always a Brit when going is good soon unsavory news surfaces..person becomes Nigerian Born–Jamaican born–Indian Born..

  23. concerned9a

    June 22, 2016 at 2:03 pm

    @lala…very much doubt the Conservatives would revert to the old system…never trust UK politicians especially on Immigration did you miss the last election??…never seen so much blatant racism played out in the press and on the streets..
    And if they do there would be a cost..heard now some 9jas after their Masters have to get a Sponsor to foot the Internship…
    I know how that feels..my cousin was denied access to internship on same grounds of the new rules..
    You well aware EU guarantees and abides by Human Rights Act which has saved many a Nigerian..and has been a thorn in the flesh of the current UK Govt.
    You complain of Eastern Europeans coming and taking over..you sounding like the Natives when Indians and Jamaicans first came to the UK en-massse…
    Why can’t the UK Govt have a tighter reign on access to health and council accommodation??…

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 4:20 pm

      @Concerned9ja, any which way, the conservatives will get punished on the next elections.

  24. Observer

    June 22, 2016 at 2:39 pm

    All those saying ‘is the UK your country’! Well, it bloody well is! I plan to educate and bring up my children in this country for the foreseeable future, so this Bremain or Brexit argument is very important. Till Nigeria fixes its own problems, many of us are very happy to remain here despite your percieved notions. You have quite a number of more pressing issues in Nigerian which I think most of you should face e.g. hunger, petrol, security, health care, lack of infrastructure, bad education, armed robbers etc… and the list goes on and on!

  25. Observer

    June 22, 2016 at 3:17 pm

    Does anyone know what the plan is when we leave the EU? Because all I’m hearing is the EU is costing us this, immigration blah blah…what is the bloody plan after we leave EU? Will lying Boris and Grove be in charge?

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 4:55 pm

      @ Observer, Lord Rose from the Remain side earlier said, things pretty much carry on as they are, except that wages go up- this is economy wise. The withdrawal process takes 2 years. EU citizens will move for those 2 years freely as the UK decides what economic and structural arrangement they want with the EU, people will trade as normal. On the other hand, should the UK remain in the EU, 3 things are sure.
      1. Wages will be driven further down for the poorest people in the society
      2. EU will expand with Turkey joining- so the door opens to another several millions. The more the people,’the higher the cost of renting or buying a house, because too many people are chasing too few properties.
      3. Get ready for the impact of TTIP- the transatlantic trade deal that amongst other things allows companies anywhere in the world to sue sovereign states and governments for loss of income in a special court not in the country of origin or before the country’s judges, but before 3 foreign private arbitrators whose decisions supersede any country’s courts.’That doesn’t sound wrong right? Well, in Canada, an American company got rights to drill for shale gas without consultation with the local community. When an independent impact assessment was done, it showed that shale gas drilling will make the ground in the area unstable and prone to earthquakes I believe . The government in the area decided not to allow the drilling for safety concerns. Canadian government was sued, not to a Canadian court, but a behind closed door arbitration panel with 3 private lawyers- one picked by the Canadian government, the other by the company affected and the third is supposedly a neutral person picked by some international organisation…. Canadian government lost the case, of course and were made to pay 160 million dollars or more to this company for future loss of income. This is because, Canada has already signed to TTIP, the trans Atlantic trade agreement and are warning others not to sign it because of the sweeping undemocratic unquestionable powers it gives to private lawyers to decide matters in favour of global corporate against businesses and eroding their sovereignty. What’s the impact for Britain, massively negative, especially with regards the NHS and food safety. The hormones and chemicals used in America In chicken are mostly banned in this the UK. Under TTIP, by law, they must be allowed to enter the UK. American businesses are ready to challenge the Free NHS services before arbitration, saying it undermines competition. Find videos on YouTube about TTIP and see why many in the UK are against it including so,e politicians. Outside the EU, the U.K. Can decide not to sign it. Inside the EU, they have no say. The EU signs on behalf of member states and every state must comply or their governments can be sued. The biggest fear for those against it, is why those negotiating for the EU on behalf of all member countries have refused to allow people, journalists, etc to see the amended copy. Other than the very top key appointed- not elected EU beaurocrats are allowed to see it. All elected MEP’s of EU member countries are not allowed to see the amendments.Just search the evils of TTIP and watch on YouTube. I recommended it to a friend about a month ago and he was shell shocked.
      The thing is, under the EU, many things are being forced upon Britain without asking for its permission, including the EU army, which you and I will pay for if we remain.

    • Felinda

      June 22, 2016 at 6:37 pm

      Lala

      My hats off to you – You are very intelligent and Very well versed on this matter. You have shown me you have really done your research thoroughly – unlike the many who have not even digged down deep to do much research on their own – apart from listening to biased BBC news.

      Gosh i wish i can meet up with you and have lunch with you someday. What made me conclude that “this girl is extremely knowledgeable and done research thoroughly ” is saying it will take two years. Do you know that 99% of voters dont even have a clue, they think immediately the voting is done and Brexit wins, On friday 24thm, gbam all trades and stuff will stop.every eu member will be sent back.

      C’mon folks think and do some research and listen to both sides and weigh your own options. , Dont just go by what Lala or I or Nigel Farage or David Cameron is saying. Its just common sense. Compare UK now to UK 10 yrs ago (assuming you were here 10 yrs ago) – things have changed and for the worst and that is a fact.

      Those 15% undecided voters should really do their research this evening. Use common sense to vote. Dont be fooled by the fear mongering on from either left or right.

      And by the way for those saying all trade between UK and EU will stop – cmon – are you serious. So Norway nor Switzerland dont trade with EU again abi. It will not stop. It will simply be re-negotiated. Those Bureaucrats in Brussels can flex their muscles all the want to threaten us with words (if you Leave We will do this and That – Indeed) , but its all temporary hog wash. The bureaucrats and lobbyist in Brussels are just mad because their 40 million pounds they have been receiving is going to STOP

      I knew this will fail from Day ONE – i mean trying to emulate USA with United States of Europe with people from differnet cultures and different languages – was just not going to work (See all thos slow translators at the Brussels EU Commision – so annoying to watch). Most of the Top leaders on the commission are FAILED politicians in their home countries in EU and someway somehow got a job with the EU commission and still continuing their bureaucratic nonsense.

      To think former Ghana President Dr Kwame Nkrumah was pushing for United States of Africa – imagine the mayhem if that was to happen. It will never work, just like ECOWAS or all of Africa having one currency WILL NEVER EVER WORK.

      Imagine if UK had joined the Euro Currency – where will we be now,. They was nothing that was not said when UK decided not to join, all the self proclaimed Economist and Politicians fear mongering – and UK stood on its ground and never joined the EURO. Thank God

      I vote BREXIT – and if you have not watch the movie BRexit
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0

      please take time to watch and also the 2nd video
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9otn_5LVQq8

    • lacey

      June 23, 2016 at 3:30 am

      Men! Lala you are are so on-point with TTIP, as even Canada and Mexico are not happy,as they have been benefiting from NAFTA.but trust America they like openness,they have so much innovation so they need to re-colonize Europe! Abeg help me to be educating our Nigerian youths ! make them they read far and wide, I guess you read and understand global policies to put the right info out there that kept you going, validating your points with facts! the EC never had impact over UK’s decision! People wey carry matter reach there were still deported! So my dear leave Nigerians in the UK, nor be today them become fourth citizen in the UK, if they vote Brexit,at least they will become 3rd Citizen even when the ones that say they have British Passport, are still 3rd Citizens aside Doctors and Nurses! Yes o,Oyibo 1st Citizen, EU 2nd Citizen, Asians are third Citizens, Jamaicans 4th Citizen and Africans 5th! You see am after profiling! Here in the US if you know your stuff,you are first citizen,you go dey talk ,oyibo go dey listen!Anyways God bless all those that we come and insult me 🙂

    • Nerve

      June 23, 2016 at 7:14 pm

      Yes God will surely bless anyone who criticise you @Lacey. You call God’s name even in your bitterness. Meanwhile, it’s not as if you make any sense. Just useless string of words and sound bites. You are so keen to let people know you are a professional. Yinmu. People like you are cleaners and night guards. Three jobs back to back to keep body and soul together. Very rude and useless animal like you. How dare you call your fellow Africand derogatory names? In America, you are still black so go on live in Make believe.

  26. Giddygal

    June 22, 2016 at 4:02 pm

    Really great points presented by both sides but I would rather have the EU as a buffer zone in a Conservative govt than let them reign undettered.
    People are forgetting that the Conservatives are antiimmigration and even if they leave the EU they will still have to allow freedom of movement same as Norway/Switzerland do.
    Guess who they will chose over ethnic minority immigrants??Their fellow whites.
    Also Brexit have no clue as to how they will run the economy after we leave the EU.
    Better the devil you know is my opnion!?

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 4:56 pm

      The EU is forever, the Conservatives can be kicked out n the next elections. Once you are in the EU, you can change government all you want, the EU will keep running the show.

  27. Bitter truth

    June 22, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    In this same UK? Be deceiving yourselves, if you like stay for 100 years, as long as that color difference is there, you can NEVER be truly accepted.
    How many blacks are top CEOs in a UK company?
    How many top black politicians are there? – not sure I would even count Lammy or Stephen’s mum, or the few local council MPs in black dominated areas.
    Infact, in House of Parliament how many black faces do you see?
    Ponder on that.

    Believe it or not, the British do not reckon with blacks. In their hierarchy, it is the whites, then the asians before the blacks. Bitter truth. If you like speak through your nose, doesn’t change anything.

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 5:14 pm

      @Bittertruth, in this country, the son of a Ghanaian immigrant born in Britain was voted to become MP in an almost all white Britsh constituency. His name is Kwasi Kwarteng representing Spelthorne. The British people are not sentimental like us Africans, thy let the facts speak for them. If you are white British and you don’t do your work after they elect you, you don’t do MP surgeries, you don’t reply to their letters when they write to you about issues in your local constituency, they will remove you in an election and vote a black man who does the work. They don’t care, they want results, not my brother my brother. They want foreigners to integrate into their society. The more you integrate, the less they are afraid of you. So yes there’s racism but not anything like you have in America. No body has acted discriminatory to me, to my face. Behind my back? Yes no doubt, but were people not tribalistic against me behind my back when I lived in Nigeria? We say white people are racist, aren’t we Africans and black Pele racist as well? Haven’t you ever said something bad behind the back of a white person. Imagine how tool rent people are to allow you into their country to work and earn a living! Look at South Africa, don’t you see the in deigned revolting against uncontrolled migration? This notion that everything is white versus black is not always the case. Many white people have things tough in this country as well. See their builders out on a roof top at 5am in winter working for a hard hard living at minus zero degrees in winter!!!!

    • Bitter truth

      June 22, 2016 at 5:28 pm

      My point Lala is people like the guy you mentioned Kwasi Kwarteng are exceptions. The questions I asked were simply to emphasize the lack of blacks in any significant position of influence in the UK.

    • Observer

      June 22, 2016 at 6:15 pm

      One thing you need to realise is black people only really started migrating to the UK in the 1950’s early 60’s and yet we may not be totally there but we are making in roads. We have loads of people of colour in politics.. Diane Abbott, David Lammy, Chuka Ummuna, Baroness Scotland, Baroness Amos etc… Also gone are the days where we blacks were known to be only cleaners and security guards. We are now fully represented in blue chip companies, there are now a number of top CEO’s who happen to be black… Look at America, who would have thought in a million years a black president will be possible? So while you are busy shouting racism from Nigeria, we are busy making huge inroads in our adopted countries and know for a fact our children will live in a society that will have more opportunities available to them. Also, when I am ready, I will come home and help to build Nigeria. In the meantime remain there and be enjoying that hell hole you call a country. Suffering and fronting at the same time. You guys make me laugh

    • Observer

      June 22, 2016 at 6:17 pm

      And by the way the way there are many people of colour in influencial positions. Not just in politics, also in entertainment, sports, businesss etc. Its obvious you havent lived in the UK, you speak from an angle of total ignorance.

    • Bitter truth

      June 22, 2016 at 7:33 pm

      Observer,
      People of color includes Asians, I am talking about people of African descent. Again I ask how many BLACK faces do you see in the Houses of Parliament?

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 7:45 pm

      @Observer, there are more Africans in parliament and notable positions.

      Ghanaian born MP’s are:
      1. Kwasi Kwateng
      2. Adam Afriye: a multimillionaire business man representing guess where? Windsor. How whiter could a constituency be? Isn’t Windsor castle located in the this constituency, possibly.
      3. Sam Gyan

      Nigerian born MP,s:
      1. Chuka Umunna
      2. Kate Osamor
      3. Chi Onwurah- represents Newcastle of all places
      4. Kate Anolue
      5. Helm Grant-

      There’s Sandra Okoro, a director at HSBC bank, she’s British Nigerian. Sophie Chanduka is from Zimbabwe, she’s the head of group Treasury for Virgin Money, Dambisa Moyo is a Zambian born economist and a non-executive director at Barclays I believe. Thiam Tijadne was CEO of Prudential Insurance-a FTSE100 company and the UK’s biggest insurer. He is from Ivory Coast, he was poached by Credit Suisse to their Switzerkand office. He’s still one of the highest earning CEO’s in Europe- a pure black man. There’s a Ghanaian director at Tullow oil. As at 2014 per 2015, there was only one female CEO of a major Advertising Agency in the UK, she’s not just black, she’s African.
      No body owes us anything and this country has given all the chance to succeed!

    • Observer

      June 22, 2016 at 8:05 pm

      @Lala, thank you very much! I get irate when people who do not have a clue make ignorant statements like ‘the bitter truth’. One thing about Nigerians is that whereever we are, we do not settle for less or mediocrity. We are breaking barriers and when you hear of a very successful black person in the UK, chances are (80%) that person is Nigerian. Our generation are not the ones to settle for early momo and cleaning jobs. We demand and we get good jobs and our children have access to the best schools. My friends send their kids private and live in good houses, and are not ready to conform to some of the ignorance that some of these Nigerians have in their head. Racism is rife, but I totally believe every door will open as along as you keep knocking.

    • Bitter truth

      June 22, 2016 at 8:20 pm

      What you’ve listed are a HANDFUL of people which again proves my point. Less than 1% of the Black population in any significant role of influence is NO ACHIEVEMENT. Likewise, being a director is not the same as CEO.
      Still no answer to the question of how many BLACK faces in Parliament.?

  28. Bitter truth

    June 22, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    Racism is institutionalized in this country.

    • Observer

      June 22, 2016 at 7:38 pm

      All the names i mentioned above are black. Not a single one is Asian. Pls google them. Its getting tiring arguing with someone who obviously does not have a clue. Regardless of what you think, blacks are doing much better than you think. Maybe your acquaintances/family are still doing those early momo jobs, but for my generation we have exceeded every kind of expectation that you ignorant ones might have.. Please do your research.

  29. Vote Brexit

    June 22, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    For those bemoaning they don’t like the Tories and Farage, this crosses party lines. This is a referendum vote is on a single issue – not on whether you want the country run by the Tories or labour! Yes the tories are party that would steer any eventual brexit however the most important thing is that if we don’t like their policies we can vote them out! We cannot do that with the undemocratic EU which is moving to closer integration irrespective of the will of the people and we’re powerless to do anything about it should be remain. We haven’t and can’t reform the EU. A remain vote will be seen as a mandate from the UK to press ahead towards a closer union.

    Look at EU Trade Commissioner Cecila Malmstrom to see this level of contempt for ordinary citizens, when voters of all political persuasions throughout the EU, rail against the unpopular TTIP deal which for example which will replace our NHS with an American styled insurance policy. Over here there has been opposition from everyone from the TUSC, to Corbyn, Burnham and McDonnell, the RMT, Unite, The Greens, Lib Dems, large swathes of UKIP, Tories such as Peter Lilley and Zac Goldsmith, Plaid, many SNP members and so on.

    Cecila Malmström’s boast that she ‘does not take her mandate from the European people’ was added to this week when she told the EU Business Summit in Brussels that she has no intention of submitting TTIP or CETA to public approval. She has also stated that ‘local opposition is a menace to multilateral agreements.

    • Vote Brexit

      June 22, 2016 at 4:32 pm

      Don’t use your democratic vote to vote for the abolition of democracy.

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 5:02 pm

      God bless you. You know something I find worrying, my people are not bothered to do their own research. What I like about Western politics is this, you can campaign all you want, people sit down on Sunday and buy the major papers and read it cover to cover and do their research and form their own political opinion.’They read your manifesto as a politician and then show up at debates and ask you how you plan to pay for these lofty promises. Where will you find the money. They know it’s either you raise taxes or you borrow, and a third, austerity, by cutting spending.

    • lacey

      June 23, 2016 at 4:13 am

      @Lala concerning racism in America,I beg to differ! You can say Americans are ignorant,they do not travel! Only Texas is bigger than Nigeria! I lived in London as a professional and currently live here in the US as a professional! My dear, you can only limit yourself in America,as there is so much opportunity for you to succeed!Come and and see young Nigerians in the Financial sector Nigerians and other Africans who are top VPs and Top executives in IT,positions wey we nor go smell for the UK or Nigeria easily! My dear I am a testimony and I know my former colleagues who are currently VPs in top global banks in the US. So leave matter!

  30. SallyAnn

    June 22, 2016 at 5:40 pm

    This is such an Excellent Discussion
    I definitely Vote BREXIT
    That 40 million pounds sent DAILY to foolish failed politicians who are now on board in the European Commission serving as Beareaucrats – can be used for UK Hospitals and Schools

    Are you fking kidding me – 40 million pounds PER DAY to Brussels – and all for what. NO way., I vote out out out – My whole family vote out.

    Fck EU and Fck Angela Merkel too –

  31. Felinda

    June 22, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    If you are still undecided please watch this too

    wikileaks.org/pledge/

  32. Felinda

    June 22, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    Sorry i meant this one here about TTIP

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABDiHspTJww
    €100,000 reward for Europe’s most wanted secret. The TTIP is a multi-trillion dollar international treaty that is being negotiated in secret between the United States and the European Union. It remains secret almost in its entirety, closely guarded by the negotiators, and only big corporations are given special access to its terms. The TTIP covers half of global GDP and is one of the largest agreements of its kind in history. The TTIP aims to create a global economic bloc outside of the WTO framework, as part of a geopolitical economic strategy against the BRICS countries of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.

    The Former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has dubbed the TTIP an “economic NATO,” comparing it to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization military alliance. Over the last two years WikiLeaks has published chapters from two other secret global trade deals, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) and the Trade in Services Agreement (TISA), despite unprecedented efforts by negotiating governments to keep them under wraps.

    Together with the TTIP, these treaties represent the “Three Big T’s”, affecting 53 countries, 1.6 billion people and covering two thirds of the global economy. They aim to create a new international legal regime allowing transnational corporations to bypass domestic courts, evade environmental protections, police the internet on behalf of the content industry, limit the availability of affordable generic medicines, and drastically curtail each country’s legislative sovereignty. Of the “Three Big T’s”, the TTIP remains the least exposed to public scrutiny, and the most significant to the interests of the European public.

    Read more here.

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 8:11 pm

      @Felinda, you are a breath of fresh air, honestly. Many Africans think these things don’t concern them, yet thy don’t know that some of these issues contribute to the price of oil and the inability of governments in Nigeeria to pay salaries.

    • Felinda

      June 22, 2016 at 9:06 pm

      Lala

      Most African (immigrants or citizens) who live in UK dont care,

      yup as their ignorant self will popularly say

      WETIN “CON-SIGN” ME

      🙂 🙂 nothing do them. Thats is why africa is where it is, we dont think far. All we think about is what will we eat today – only. .

      peanut brains.

  33. Felinda

    June 22, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    America is the real ANTI CHRIST OF THIS WORLD i swear.

    • Observer

      June 22, 2016 at 7:39 pm

      And what is this suppose to mean? Its not by force to comment you know…

    • Felinda

      June 22, 2016 at 7:56 pm

      Observer, clearly that statement people like you will not understand. and thats COMMON
      Who do you think is behind REMAIN (as an EU army is being formed as we speak for their future War with RUSSIA) and who do you think is pushing for TTIP to supply EU with GMO food to kill us all. I guess this is far too deep for you to understand. Just walk on by – its not for you. The smart ones understand

    • Observer

      June 22, 2016 at 8:07 pm

      Pele! You will be ok.

  34. concerned9a

    June 22, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    Did someone just mention English people are savvy when it comes to politics and elections??…got to be kidding me..the last 2 elections were won on the premise of anti-immigration….nothing savvy about that they collectively went to the polls with the motto..get them out..we only a small island..we can’t cope..blah blah blah..
    The Politicians do the big talk but all that matters is feeding into hate..already an MP got shot over this..lest we forget..
    I still insist it has little or no gain for Blacks…I’m not here to swing votes just stating the facts..and hope Bella rehashes this in a year’s time..

  35. concerned9a

    June 22, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    Same US wants to bring Turkey in to the EU….just to get the Nos right for a future war…but EU members are not buying into that idea..
    Funny thing is a lot of people have no idea and only touch on the surface…it’s very messy what goes on behind the scene..

  36. Felinda

    June 22, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    As i am here in the USA is funny how their media NEVER cover anything on UK or EUROPE – unless its a tragedy, but whenever i go home to UK to see my family- constant 24/7 American News.

    Americans dotn care about anyone but themselves and their celebrities whom they worship.

    I bet you on Nov 7 – all UK stations will be covering the US election

  37. Felinda

    June 22, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    Lala what is your peronsal prediction (how do you currently feel with the rolling numbers) – I am not in UK (currently in USA and you dont they dong cover UK news at all) but these polls i am reading online is as one will say “doing my head in”. In past few weeks LEAVE has been leading now all of a sudden you have all these Guardian FT, etc etc with their SUPPOSED legit polls showing REMAIN leading. I smell rigging – they did with Scotland, So i wont be surprised.

    • Lala

      June 22, 2016 at 10:23 pm

      @Felinda, each paper supports who they support. The DailyMAil does not support Remain. Truth is, the poorest in the British society have seen their wages go down and they are voting out. People fear rigging by the government and establishment. An independent poll I took part in online is over 70% in favour of leave. To keep up stay online with Guardian – Remain and DAily Mail- Leave. Other non partisan papers: The Spectator- very brilliant anti establishment paper. Younger British people tend to vote out because of free roaming charges and visa free travel, older voters who have lived through war and poverty in UK, tend to vote leave- they fear that excess immigration cuts the pay of poor people giving rise to far right parties across Europe. The older generation fear that giving away their sovereignty to an unelected government overrides the democracy they fought and died for in both world wars.
      Large cosmopolitan towns and cities with multicultural populations may swing to Remaine.g- London, Bristol, etc. The more traditionally British towns and villages up north, of course are poorer with few jobs and want out f the EU. They say it’s too close to call. Younger people tend not to bother to vote. Older people vote very early on voting day. I would have voted before 8am.
      There’s a general feeling across Europe that the stakes are too high- since Frexit and Gexit are all waiting in the wings should this collapse. The sensible thing for the government is to rig it, the stakes are just too high.

      Let’s keep watching. By the way, if you want non-partisan news in the US, watch Aljazeera.

    • Felinda

      June 22, 2016 at 11:08 pm

      Aljazeera ke.? I’d rather pluck out my eye lashes out one by one 🙂 The Aljazeera here in USA is just as bad as CNN, Fox, Etc. They have really Americanised the Aljazeera here in USA. Back in the day I could log in to the original Aljazeera but America blocked it. When u log in it routes u to US Aljazeera so I will rather watch http://www.rt.com

  38. Felinda

    June 22, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    Thank you so much for the update Lala. All we can do now is keep our fingers ccros qwithless than 7hrs left to go. I am am so eager I doubt I can concentrate at work tomorrow.

  39. Uru

    June 23, 2016 at 12:32 am

    Second option for exiting EU ” Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty”

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