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Chris Okotie: “Catholics will go to Hell…Pope Francis is Anti-Christ”



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Chris Okotie is coming under fire for recent claims that he announced that all Catholics will go to hell.

The general overseer of the Household of God Church and former presidential candidate allegedly made the statement on Sunday 1st December 2013 at his church in Ikeja, Lagos, PM News reports.

According to the news portal, Chris Okotie said the Catholic church is “a counterfeit church set up by Satan”. He further explained that Catholics “bow to idols and crucify Jesus every Sunday when they eat bread claiming they are eating Jesus’ body”.

The statements left members of his church stunned and completely lost for words.

Here are more statements Chris Okotie reportedly made;

  • “They are not Christians and have never been”
  • ‘They don’t know Jesus. They believe that when they eat bread on Sundays, they are eating the body of Jesus. It’s ritual”
  • “The Pope (Francis) is an Anti-Christ and the Catholic church will soon declare for Satan. This is the end of times”
  • “Catholics will go to hell”
  • “They don’t believe in heaven. They believe in purgatory, the purgatory that they invented”
  • “That church has been there for Satan and at the right time, they will declare Satan”

PM News also states that he advised members of his church to come to the rescue of Catholics and evangelize them. He also declared that his statements are “not out of disrespect but out of respect for the word of God”.

Chris Okotie further analysed that Pope John Paul 11 surrendered the Catholic church to Mary (Jesus’ earthly mother) instead of himself and the current Pope has done the same.



  1. Ady

    December 2, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    so how what business of his is it if all catholics will go to hell, of all men chris okotie has no moral to condemn anyone. he does not even know Christ, he doesn’t know the contents of the bible infact he is not qualified to be a christain and human beings still go to his house called church. why is he bothered about where catholics will end has he thought of what will become of him. it amazes me how these pastors take time study catholics and what they do. I am a proud catholic and I don’t give a damn what happens in redeem or any other church, mine is to run my race to make heaven. the same chris okotie who has been married twice and numerous other adultery stories, does he know what the bible said about divorce. so obvious he is insane

    • lateefat

      December 12, 2013 at 8:00 pm



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  2. sallymcliesh

    December 2, 2013 at 12:12 pm


  3. Charis

    December 2, 2013 at 12:13 pm


  4. Hurperyeahmie

    December 2, 2013 at 12:16 pm


  5. Idak

    December 2, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    BN,anything for the clicks. Carry go!!
    Only the gullible will be deceived.

    • Miss C

      December 2, 2013 at 3:12 pm

      Abi o.. you have to give it to them though for still approving comments that criticize them. I guess they know that a big part of the draw to their site is the comments.

  6. linda

    December 2, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    @Ady tx alot uve said it all, he should remove the speck on his eyes 1st before talking about we catholics.

  7. Aidan

    December 2, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    The Anti-christ comes from South America?
    I am Roman Catholic, and dont care!

    • Nilla

      December 2, 2013 at 3:04 pm


    • OBJ

      December 2, 2013 at 9:58 pm



    December 2, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    y not mind ur business, and stop judgin… or who made u u god..

  9. debs

    December 2, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Sallymcliesh. no religious war over Okotie. not worth it at all.

    • Mz Socially Awkward...

      December 2, 2013 at 1:19 pm

      May The Good Lord bless you for that comment. Not even worth the effort at all… dude sounds like a sad, unhappy little man who just needs a hug.

    • AA

      December 2, 2013 at 1:39 pm

      Thank you my dear

    • Leah

      December 2, 2013 at 5:14 pm

      I was going to go off on that snake oil salesman untill I read your comment, and I’m not even Catholic.

  10. Daisy

    December 2, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    I am really not one to comment on religious matters but this one is really pissing me off. Who gave this COW the right to judge another person or church. Is he God. Why can he just concentrate on the people that choose to follow him. It’s so funny that every Protestant have something to say about catholic but the Catholics hardly criticise others. Believe what ever you what to believe and let others be. If you choose to be a catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Buddhist, Freemason, it’s all up to you. No human being, not even the so called pastors have the right to judge anybody.

  11. Endo

    December 2, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Hmm… Holy war brewing

    Pls share your endometriosis stories @ Let’s beat endo together!

  12. Daisy

    December 2, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    *why can’t

  13. meme

    December 2, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    quite disappointed that BElla naija wud post this. shame. slowly becoming like Linda ikejis blog

  14. nene

    December 2, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    the catholic church has a lot of controversies trailing it. they also have some weird traditions/doctrines, and i don’t know a lot of serious catholics, since they all believe in committing a sin and then they run to “father” for confessions every week. as for going to heaven or hell, no one knows, we all live by faith.

    • ty

      December 2, 2013 at 1:24 pm

      its very bad to be ignorant but what is worse is to display that ignorance to d world. pls if u dont know anything about catholics just shut up and dont say anything…thanx! its all those yeye pastors that are buying jets up and down and sleeping with their female congregation that do not have controversies surrounding them…rubbish

    • Mz Socially Awkward...

      December 2, 2013 at 1:25 pm

      And a lot of pentecostal churches deify their pastors/Bishops/leaders and lay more emphasis on gaining wealth rather than teaching souls how to make Heaven.

      It’s the same ass-backwards approach to God which many congregants practise, regardless of what religion they belong to.

    • Osogagba

      December 2, 2013 at 1:32 pm

      @Nene. My understanding of a fool is she who does not know and yet does not know that she does not know.

    • AA

      December 2, 2013 at 1:43 pm

      When we talk about Catholic controversies, lets talk about the controversies of the pentecostal churches. The wealth ministries, Pastors that have more say in families than God, Pastors sleeping with congregations members, child witch hunting in Akwa Ibom…its the same thing as the controversies in the Catholic church. We have all sinned, so before you point any sanctimonious fingers at the Catholic Church, make sure your doorstep is clean

    • femi

      December 4, 2013 at 1:05 am

      But Catholics priests are raping innocent boys….

    • chichi

      December 2, 2013 at 3:56 pm

      I’m sorry but are we lacking in comprehension skills or what?? Where in nene’s comment did she say pentecostal churches are spotless and free from blemish??..She even ended by saying no one knows. She has every right to talk about what she finds weird about the catholic church just as you have the right to talk about pentecostal churches..So if you call her ignorant, tell us why she is ignorant instead of pointing fingers..Dont get me wrong, i dont think pentecostal churches are any better but the Catholics DO have traditions/ doctorines that aren’t based on the bible…The sad thing is most of you dont understand and cant defend those doctrines…Yes, i have spoken to a lot of yall..Like Nene mentioned, what is the point of going to a man like yourself and saying “father, forgive me for i have sinned”??..What is also the point of praying to the image of Mary??..No one can convince me that that makes any sense..sorry..Is that really who the bible says you are to talk to when you sin or do y’all just perform that ritual because you are told to do so??..Secondly, the catholic church has a VERY violent past..They are guilty of literally shoving their religion down ppl’s throat in the past…They also didnt want the commoners in the past to own, read and understand the bible and they killed whoever tried to translate the bible into other languages…please do your research before you call someone ignorant..What i will never understand is why ppl treat the pope like a mini god when he is a man like you and I..Jesus already came and died for us..Chris okotie is one to talk..Dude, what did the bible say about being neutral when it comes to politics??

    • just me

      December 2, 2013 at 7:43 pm

      @chichi pls if u ask a question,ask n don’t conclude. U say the pope is being treated like a mini god,hes not he’s only treated wit d respect he deserves, hes d highest order in d catholic church. He’s treated d same way pentecostal treat their founders or bishops! Pls again ask questions, do not allow okotie’s quest 4 publicity lead us 2 sin cause wen we judge others knowingly or otherwise,we sin. May God help us all. Am sorry 4 d length

    • Chris

      December 2, 2013 at 11:42 pm

      God help us all, look wat dis lunatic has brought to us, chi chi for ur information catholic don’t worship Mary radar d honoring her as d mother of d savior of dis world. And concerning going to d rev father frm confession, pls i want u to go back to d story of job in d bible when his three friends,, kings men offended him, pls go back to dat story and see wat God has told them to do thanks and as for dat lunatic Chris okotie i just feel sorry for him

    • Kay

      December 3, 2013 at 3:20 am

      I had to reply you because you’re making a few errors. Where does it say that anything not in the Bible is not Christian? I recall that the Bible was selected and edited by the Catholic church at the Council of Nicaea. Moreover Catholics are the original Christians, say what you will about them.
      2. The priest is an intercessor. Yes the process of confession is stylized and formalized but it’s the same principle as the pentecostal pastor who is doing vigil/laying hands on you/speaking in whatever gibberish he calls tongues(lol)
      3. Catholics believe that Mary(like the Saints) can intercede for you with God. That’s why she’s venerated. She’s not worshipped, because prayers to her are about asking her to intercede for you with God, in essence be a middleman. The reason you have a middleman is so their virtue can work through your sinfulness. That’s why when you wrong others you ask others to beg on your behalf. Their words, at that moment, count for more than your word does.
      3. The Catholic Church has been violent. Yup, it has, in a very specific historical/cultural context. Black / Palestinian Catholics didn’t invade the Holy Land, Europeans did. Be careful about ascribing causes of historical events.
      4. The Pope is the head of the largest, oldest and richest institutions around. That institution is religious and supports respect/veneration. I bet Redeem followers would throw out their mothers if Adeboye asked them to. TB Joshua’s adherents would do more. It’s a leader/follower relationship that religion exarcebates. When you believe someone is right/can do no wrong, you will venerate them.
      5. Hope things are clearer!

    • chichi

      December 3, 2013 at 5:35 pm

      This is gonna be long yall so please bear with me…Almost didn’t reply cos i’m feeling really lazy right now but most of you used the scriptures which i appreciate. So this is for @justme, chris, kay and my lovely ifeoma and okadigbo down there..I will start by saying christian means followers of christ. Where did christ leave a model for us to follow? The bible. So im sorry, if something is not in the bible, im not taking it in. Trust me when i say i read my bible…When you talk about job or the serpent moses carved, do you realize that you are not an Israelite but a christian. God sent jesus to earth to not only die for us but to show us how things are to be done as Christians. Most of the things the Israelites did doesnt apply to us today and the use of images is one of them. Actually,the bible states that God HATES the use of images in worship of him or using it as an intercessor..ill give you a few scriptures in the hebrew sciptures Exodus 20:4,5 and Lev 26:1..Now in the new testament which contains most of what is expected of us as christians, pls read 2cor 5:7, acts 17:29, John 14:6,14 and 1 cor 10:14, 20…What the catholics did is touch on what moses did so therefore, it is cool to make images of saints that can act as intercessors for us. Jesus is the greater moses and his coming made most of the things the Israelite did null and void.. Can you people please be clear on who exactly is your intercessor/mediator?Is it the priest, the pope or mary..So confusing…Jesus made it crystal clear in John 14:6, 14 and i quote ” I am the way, the truth and the life. NO ONE can come to the father (God)except through ME. If you ask for anything in my name, i will do it”..If you have been taught otherwise, it is all doctrines. Now, let us talk about mary. Please guys, i never said yall worship her but you apparently “honor” [email protected] ifeoma, so because angel Gabriel greeted mary before delivering his message and because she implored Jesus to turn water to wine, that is enough reason to “honor” her and make her your intercessor??. Im sorry dear, that makes no sense. Was mary obedient to God and thus willing to let God use her for the accomplishment of his purpose?. Yes, but thats it. In luke 11:27,28, jesus was speaking to a crowd and a woman said “Happy is the womb that bore you and the breasts you sucked”. Jesus told her “still happier those who hear the word of God and keep it”. That would have been a fine opportunity to pay special honor to his mother or even admonish Christians to do the same but he did not..He directed his listeners mind’s to the important thing which was his ministry. There is no record in the bible of Christians being admonished to honor mary or letting her act as an intercessor.. That my dear is another doctrine the catholic church came up with. If there is, please show me and dont tell me about [email protected], you mentioned Roman 16:6. Please do your research, paul was writing to his fellow workers and was greeting a bunch of Christians to strengthen the bond he had with them and i am positive the mary he was talking about wasnt the mother of jesus but mary magdalene. please do not twist the bible. As for the pope being your leader. What did matthew 23:10 say? should only have one leader and that person is christ. He is the head of the congregation. Does he have “older men” in congregations that he uses to provide spiritually for his flock?. yes and that is how it should be. So i dont know about one man that ppl held a meeting and appointed as your head. That is not scriptural my dear…For the person talking about peter, The roman catholic church (New york, 1969) says that historical evidence does not exist for the entire chain of succession of church authority. Secondly, there is no record in the bible of peter being in Rome. None whatsoever..So i dont know how he became the first pope of the roman catholic church..He was in Babylon and that was where he wrote the books of peter in the bible…No imperfect man on earth is supposed to be your spiritual leader or head. Same thing applies to pentecostal churches..

    • chichi

      December 3, 2013 at 9:29 pm

      excuse grammatical errors…and the continuation of this long epistle is somewhere

    • Tony Ogedengbe

      December 4, 2013 at 12:14 pm

      Good talk, Chichi. First reasonable response on this blog. Many other commentators are not sound enough for public discourse. Kris Okotie expressed a viewpoint and gave cogent points. Let those who believe in the Catholic Church and understand what they do there respond with clarity. No sentiments please. It pays you to be objective to yourself and others. The leaders of the Catholic Church have not been able to defend many unbiblical practices of the church. Martin Luther was one of their priests and he exposed so much before quitting at the risk if his life.

    • Tamar

      December 5, 2013 at 8:37 am

      Sis Chichi the householders aare in trouble. Lol! Nice1..

    • chichi

      December 5, 2013 at 4:22 pm

      [email protected] tamar :). Girl, im sorry but some ppl just dont get it.

    • Iris

      December 2, 2013 at 7:04 pm

      I’m not even catholic and I was about to laugh off this post because we all know Okotie… well, enough said (I won’t even discuss his whole “God told me to divorce my wife” thing), but comments like yours are guaranteed to annoy me. You come here to make sweeping generalisations about what you don’t know. Doesn’t Christianity preach that when you confess you can be forgiven? Catholics do not worship Mary. They use her as an intercessor, pretty much like how many pentecostals use their pastor as their go-between, except that in some cases they have actually begun to see their pastors as God. Haven’t we heard controversies about pentecostal churches when pastors are getting it on with female workers? What about the Nigerian male pastor in England who raped an underage boy, only for some retards to be yarning “touch not my anointed”. Even in my Anglican church there have been rumours of money being siphoned. Religious issues are clearly not restricted to one denomination, but instead “religious” people just spew ignorance about other denominations that are based on secular beliefs and not what is in the bible.

    • Ben

      December 3, 2013 at 4:26 am

      intelligence and objectivity to your post; am proud catholic we have our issues but so does everyone; I am against priests and pastors hiding behind the touch not my anointed bs; God did not want us to abuse it as most presently do in Nigeria; if a pastor/ priest/ ifa priest is caught committing any crime let the law take its full course. Okotie is just a clown looking for those to entertain and annoy; let him explain how God told him he will become Nigeria president in 2003

    • Tony Ogedengbe

      December 4, 2013 at 12:20 pm

      Since you are not ignorant, why don’t you help us all by defending those weighty allegations that Kris raises and educate people about your Catholic cause? For one explain why Mary was never so exalted by other apostles of the Bible, including Peter, the so-called first pope, only for the catholic Church to emerge many years later and make her a key intermediary to God, for being as you coin it – mother of God. Respond intelligently and give biblical defense. The ranting does not save the face of your Church. Truth will help us all.

    • Blessmyheart

      December 5, 2013 at 12:47 pm

      But the fact some pentecostal churches use their pastors as intermediaries does not make it right. Jesus is the only mediator.

    • Tessy

      December 3, 2013 at 3:36 pm

      U ARE CRAZY!

  15. i said

    December 2, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Look at this man that is in hell already oh!! I just dislike this man….mchew

  16. Gistyinka Blog

    December 2, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Hmmm am short of word for this claim. finally okotie back on the news.

  17. Grace

    December 2, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Chris Okotie a politician calling himself a pastor….pastor my behind…he is very stupid wherever he is right now. I am a proud catholic i have never condemned any church and i have never heard any of my priest critise any either. why would he say such. Anywway,no plenty word for him except that hell is where he belongs too for him to be judging us. #uselessmanseekingattention.

  18. Bruno

    December 2, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    This Man has gone mad again! This is the same man who went to police to report that TB Joshua was attacking him spiritually and wanted the police to arrest the spirit!
    Who will arrest a spirit, him, a pastor, or the police? The guy is a complete clown.

  19. Joseph

    December 2, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Chris Okotie was made a star by Late Chief Haruna Ishola,the illiterate Apala musician who owned phonodisc records,Okotie was reportedly cursed by the old man before he died because Okotie abandoned the label for EMI before the old man could recoup his investment on him.I guess the curse is still working.That is why the pastor had been confused all this while.Failed attempt at the Presidency,failed marriages etc.We love Okotie the musician,but as a pastor,no no.

  20. Aunty Amebo

    December 2, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Abegi, Catholics? Really?
    It is muslims or moslems that are probably going to hell. When they bow to pray, they are worshiping the Queen of the moon. Which is far more satanic.

    • funke

      December 2, 2013 at 1:51 pm

      @aunty amebo, why dont you mind your own business and leave the muslims to their God and faith? They bow fown to queen of the moon! Ignorance is the greatest disservice a human being can do to himself or herself. Please read wide (a lot of tools to help with that) and interact with intelligent people, that will really help you to contribute INTELLIGENTLY to conversations. Stop viewing the world from the small window of your self inflicted cell when you can open the door wide and see a better view! Hope you are able to comprehend all I have written

    • AA

      December 2, 2013 at 2:17 pm

      Na wa o. But why insult Muslims? They are faithful in their religious beliefs. If more Christians were like Muslims, it would be a better Naija.

    • D' Moslemchic

      December 2, 2013 at 2:49 pm

      you must be out of you mind!

    • Aunty Amebo

      December 2, 2013 at 3:14 pm

      Hmmm…Just went to take my bath, put on my Dior dress and my Christian Louboutin heels, only to come back and see y’all attacking me.
      Girls, Plu..ease.
      Don’t be obtuse my fellow BellaNaijarians, we all know religion is Africa’s biggest problem. Abegi.
      Yes I stand by it. Moslems are terrible. Need a constant reminder – Boko Haram. Have you guys also thought about the bombing in Kenya, need I explain and further break down the people behind it.
      Chris can talk about Catholics all he wants…blah I no send. But the fact still remains, Moslems are one of the world’s biggest problems.

      Let’s bring them to Christianity. Simple.

    • funke

      December 2, 2013 at 3:40 pm

      @amebo, that is rich coming from you, a reminder if u do not know, Christianity had it’s own fair share of violence and still do, recent example the man from Norway, a Christian was still sentenced in UK 2 months afo for bombing 3 mosques. And true muslims still stand by the truth, all those perpetuating violence in the name of Islam are not following the tenets of the faith. All they want is power, to control people and not religion, most of those they fight are already muslims, food for thought for those who are able to reason (think deep and not vain people), please get down from your high horse (we couldn’t care less about what you are wearing). Contribute intelligently to the topic but you seem unable to do that.

    • whocares

      December 2, 2013 at 4:01 pm

      loool. you have to be an internet troll. I don’t know why I am responding to someone who feels the need to point out “Dior dress and louboutin heels” like they make your arguments more relevant. I am not overtly religious, but I think it goes against the good book to judge other people, and to be intolerant? you stand here saying a religion will go to hell based on the actions of a few extremists. you think Christians haven’t done despicable things too? and do we condemn all Christians for the actions of the extremists? no we don’t! the point of all my epistle is this. Dior dress, and louboutin heels will not add to your common sense. read more, educate yourself, and be more tolerant. if you hate to read.. travel more, meeting more people outside of your small world will open your eyes.

    • Ade

      December 2, 2013 at 4:11 pm

      How Ignorant, your comment shows how ignorant you are about
      Islam and how you have been brainwashed by your pastors. Please go
      and read more about what Islam is about, if you are truly

    • allen

      December 2, 2013 at 9:08 pm

      abeg aunty dnt bring muslims into this…they are presently minding their bizness. focus on the man who said what he said. biko

    • Isa

      December 3, 2013 at 2:42 pm

      Really?! Why must you concoct a certain ‘queen of the moon’ to drive your point home.
      Abegi. Better go do some research.

  21. temmy

    December 2, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Who will not go to hell?All we go,becos even Jesus christ did-hell means grave so mayb okotie its out of grammar or think he n his followers will not die..the bible says all are sinners and will grow old and die and go to hell(grave,ground)becos out of it we were all taken.As regard oda points of anti christ please i don’t know,becos only Jehovah God can judge us all,soon time will tell.

  22. Zayt

    December 2, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    @ aunty amebo, seriously? what has islam got to do with this? pls if u don’t have anything better to say don’t comment @ all. hiss

  23. temmy

    December 2, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Who among all mankind created by God dat will not go to hell?ecen jesuschrist did-hell means grave so mayb okotie its out of grammar or think he n his followers will not die..the bible says all are sinners and will grow old and die and go to hell(grave,ground)becos out of it we were all taken.As regard oda points of anti christ please i don’t know,becos only Jehovah God can judge us all,soon time will tell

  24. S

    December 2, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    My Bible tells me ‘My people perish from lack of knowledge’ Someone should pls school this guy on how the present Pope and his predecessors come into existence. My Bible further says we should not judge nor codemn anyone let alone God’s annointed. A supposed Pastor who thrives on controversy now seems to be the one to give instructions – after 2 divorces. Preacher, pls remove the splinter in ur eyes before you remove the log from another.

  25. Roseline Chibuzor

    December 2, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    Chris Okotie loves the news and has never been able to be politically correct. As touching his sermon, the preacher is simply reviving an old and long established argument about the Roman Catholic faith. History supports the preacher’s comments but why now? Why should he decide now to revive it? The new way to evangelize is to show people the way not condemn them. For years, the world has known the idolatory of worshiping Mary the Queen of Heaven, bowing to images and praying the rosary. The comment by the preacher is very old but his approach makes him self righteous, turns Christianity against itself and that achieves nothing but shame.

  26. Ore

    December 2, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Sometimes I really wonder what Bella Naija is trying to achieve with posts like this. Once a Pastor has done something unlikely, or wrong, they’ll carry it. You don’t see posts on the amount that has been donated by churches to the community, the changes positive changes they’re bringing in the lives of people that otherwise would not have had those opportunities etc. It’s always one bad news about the church or the other. Entertainment blog and nothing on Paul Walker’s death…..I’m beginning to think you have some personal vendetta against the church.

  27. Afa.T.Kells

    December 2, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    one worrd to describe him CHARLATAN

  28. Lolia77

    December 2, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Its highly embarrassing and disappointing reading through some people’s comment on this issue. Who are you to condemn any religion, belief or church? Why not leave judgement to GOD rather than posting negative comments about him, other men of God or religion? I am a proud Christian and will never ever see other region or belief as counterfeit to mine….Its ONLY GOD that has the right to judge anyone.Indeed we are ALL Sinners and its only the grace and mercy of God that is saving and will continue to save us…. Please avoid the wrath of GOD and stop casting stones on his anoited or other religion for that matter ‘cos you might be bringing curses upon yourselves & generation…..

  29. Meet9jasinglesHERE

    December 2, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    please bella, stop posting religious news and articles. they are beyond human comprehension and understanding.
    wa wehan wowo

  30. amadi micheal

    December 2, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    What catholics has done wrong on earth is minding there own business,if d catholics has not done well in worshipping God hw den is d penthecostals done dat beta wen pastors continue to leave one church and open there own,which means dat particular church has not done well in worshipping God too,yet d Catholics dnt care about wot they do.abeg I’ll remain where I am and dat is being a catholic cos if d pentecostals has done beta dey would ave being one and not millions yet dey continue to attack one dat has been one ever since.u self make u think am.

  31. D' Moslemchic

    December 2, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Who the heck is this Miss amebo or Sofo(WAREVER),what has Moslem got to do with this discussion?Some pple are just stupid and ignorant!just keep your filty mouth shut if you dont have anything meaningful to say *idiot*,Mtchewwww

  32. chenusky

    December 2, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Hahhaahahaahahaha..Man of False, Man of False (MOF) few years back you declaimed publicly that this your god said; you will become the Nigerian President, eventually you lashed your back loudly to the ground in two presidential elections. So you have a false god. This your god asked you to divorce your first wife, and also made you divorce your second wife. Your god preaches no forgiveness abi? The same ecliptic god of yours ordained you a judge over your fellow humans. I have this for you ‘Man of False’ if really you made those uncircumcised statements claiming that your false god revealed it to you, then it makes no sense to read it twice, because a snake does not give birth to a lion, any revelation made by a false god is considered to be false. By their fruits they shall be known. Saying that Catholic Church does not believe in heaven makes you a HERETIC, and you have earned yourself the name. It is a noon proof that you need to read more informative books about the Holy church. You have a suffocating knowledge of the Catholic church. People are saying what they do not know…… I believe the saying that some self appointed prophets are already in our midst. Congregation take note.

  33. Aibee

    December 2, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Errrm, BN, Really?! We already love your website, you don’t need to put up inflammatory Articles like this to get us to come here. This isn’t one of those debates that have a right and wrong sides. Nobody comes out unscathed from posts like this and the vitriol it throws up. Your readers cut across religious, ethnic and racial divides and having Articles like this are not what I we come here for. I’m all for free press and all but sometimes free press takes a back seat to public interest and a peaceful co-existence.

    • Ugbaby

      December 2, 2013 at 4:06 pm

      Best written post here so far!!

    • rude nigerians

      December 2, 2013 at 8:24 pm

      oh shut it! bn post what you want biko. imagine the nonsense as if you pay her to post on her own website. ewu mme!

  34. joy

    December 2, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    its better to face our lives and see how to please God than unnecessary criticism.

  35. Nilla

    December 2, 2013 at 3:14 pm


  36. desia

    December 2, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Honestly not worth the war…..pls bellanaija you weren’t like dis I love ur positive news

  37. Don Draper of Mad Men

    December 2, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Is there really proof that there is a place called hell in the first place?

  38. jcsgrl

    December 2, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Sighs and yawns…this post has already made me tired from a sleepless night of holiday partying.
    @sis amebo, you need to save and evangelize your own self from your vain attachments and stop worrying about the muslims

  39. Jaydyte

    December 2, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Pastor Chris speaks the truth but he usually says it in the wrong perspective, and with his public image and personal life not much to write home about, his words are sometimes taken with a grain of salt, but he is right regardless.

    Yes, the Catholic church is a very terrible church, period. In Catholicism Mary functions as the Holy Spirit. The Catholics do not believe in the power of the Holy Spirit in the later days. The Catholic literaly take Mary as the Mediator between God and man, when this work is attributed to Jesus alone. The Catholic Church is seriously wanting, period. No wonder in all countries and regions where Catholicism is pre-eminent, voodoo and Satanism is the order of the day e.g. Haiti, Brazil, North America’s state of Louisiana, French Canada, France, etc..

    • clara

      December 2, 2013 at 6:10 pm

      I think Chris Okotie is way out of line. God alone has the authority to determine who goes to hell or heaven. Please use the word of God (The Bible) as your standard and not a human being. Chris is only human. If he is even a righteous person, the Bible says that our righteousness is like filthy rags in God’s sight. Who really is Chris to judge? He should let God judge the Catholics and everyone else. Please do not judge his public image and personal life – leave this to God. As for your comment on the link between predominantly Catholic countries and all sorts of evil things, the church does not advocate those things. What you must realize is that we will all account INDIVIDUALLY to God so just make sure that you have your own PERSONAL relationship with HIM. There is really no need for mud-slinging and judgement here.

    • phena E.

      December 2, 2013 at 10:26 pm

      dats tru dear, jst dat many has not researcherd on it, y did Martin Luther write 95 thesis against Cath? well, may God hav mercy on dem

    • chichi

      December 4, 2013 at 12:52 pm

      catholics do not believe in the power of the holy spirit yet we have the feast of the holy spirit (HOLY GHOST SUNDAY) u must be CRAZY.when u don’t understand something ask questions u idiot

    • chichi

      December 4, 2013 at 1:07 pm

      u said The Catholics do not believe in the power of the Holy Spirit, yet we have feast of the holy spirit(HOLY GHOST SUNDAY) u must be CRAZY.if u don’t understand something ask question u IDIOT.this is how so of u will open ur mouths & start vomiting sure he is ur pastor,pastor that can never stand in one thing,pastor that has failed in every thing he has venture in his life.marriage ,politics ,music ,pastor ………still counting

    • Al Reid

      April 22, 2014 at 5:24 am

      Jaydyte: You are correct! These lost Catholics are in big trouble! This is not
      an opinion, It’s proven fact! God Bless all Catholics, Please search the Truth!

  40. saphyah

    December 2, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Can people ever comment on articles without attacking each other? If we all can respect other peoples’ religious views, the world will know peace. For instance, I read somewhere that it is wrong to pronounce/write Christmas as Xmas, and I make conscious efforts even while typing in short hand not to use Xmas when talking about Christmas with my Christian friends (just because I respect their choice of religion). Just because Mr Okotie said Catholics will go to hell does not confirm that non Catholics will go to heaven either. Its not about your denomination, but being true to God the best way possible. None of us has been issued our “pass” or certificate to heaven, so why judge one another?

  41. Nonsnelly

    December 2, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Ain’t this man going totally insane? Someone please call the rehab facility. How can a full fledged man of God sorry so-called be judging people when the same Bible he preaches from says “Thou shall not judge”? On the pulpit, you campaigned and ran for the seat of the president and commander in chief of the armed forces federal republic of Nigeria, nobody criticized you. Work on your life man before working on others’

  42. clara

    December 2, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    As a Christian, I am thoroughly embarrassed by what another Christian (Chris Okotie) has said about a particular church. What can I say but I forgive him and may God forgive him also. What he has said has been said before by his type and it is for similar reasons that the Anglican church was formed. I really do not come down to his level and haul judgement and insults at him because what he has said shows a lot of ignorance. He should realize that being a follower of Jesus Christ is a personal thing and not determined by the church one goes to as long as Christ is the center of that church. There is so much I can say about this subject but I will just sum it up by saying that Okotie should seek the face of the Lord Jesus and ask God for forgiveness foe judging fellow Christians or any other person for that matter. Judge not Okotie lest you be judged. I am a Catholic but my relationship with God is not determined by the church I attend. Remove the beam in your eye Chris before you can see well enough to remove the speck in another person’s eye. May the peace of the Lord be with you.

  43. Miss_Flygerian

    December 2, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    How can anyone take a birdbrain like Chris Okotie serious? From a failed Lawyer, to a failed Musician, to a failed Pastor, to a failed Politician, to a failed Prophet. He is in no position to indoctrinate Christianity.

    • chichi

      December 4, 2013 at 12:53 pm

      yes ooooooo.failure all d way

  44. Leah

    December 2, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Reading the articule and the comments reminds me why I do not belong to any Religion. 🙂


      December 2, 2013 at 9:59 pm

      My dear…. U n Me both as they say!!!
      Nigerians with Religion!!! #shakesMyHead#

  45. AW

    December 2, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    He who is without sin,let him cast the first stone! Everyone of us have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, so NO ONE should stand in judgement of another person’s righteousness. The last time I checked my bible, no where was it written that you would name your church before you can enter heaven, neither would you be asked for your tribe , skin colour, passport, educational qualification or bank balance. Man has so twisted religion, we have turned it into a weapon of destruction.

  46. twister

    December 2, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    Lol Mary functions as the holy spirit??? ROFLMAO LOL LOL ignorance is a disease for real. Nothing could be more further from the truth. My dear if you want to know the truth about the Catholic Church ask a priest or a devo
    ted Catholic member. Stop getting your info from mostly biased illiterate sources with their half baked nollywood inspired imaginations.

  47. Yours truly, Ifeoma

    December 2, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Why did God ask Moses to make an image of the serpent in Num 21 vs 9? And when the people sinned, why did they come to Moses to act as an intercessor before God ? And wasn’t war fought before they left Egypt?
    When Christ was on earth, he gave his disciples the power to forgive sins and so it continues till the end of time. On the last supper, he instituted the Eucharist: Christ gave his disciples bread and wine and told them that they are eating his body and blood. He asked them to make disciples of all nations, teaching them all that he has commanded and so it continues till the end of time. At the heart of the rosary lies two beautiful prayers. The first is the Our Father. Christ Jesus gave his disciples this prayer when they asked him to teach them how to pray. The next is the Hail Mary. The Angel Gabriel sent by God to this humble virgin greeted her thus: Hail Mary. And any one thus greeted by God is full of grace and the Lord is with her. Elizabeth the mother of John the baptist who heralded Christ coming told her that she is ” Blessed among women and blessed is the fruit of her womb” where Jesus was then residing. Christ Jesus who is God the son was like us in all things except sin.
    The first recorded miracle of Jesus at Cana was through the intercession of his mother, Mary. And so we come to her to intercede for us before God.
    Please read your bibles before spouting off…

  48. Yours truly, Ifeoma

    December 2, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    It is the same incredulity that the Jews displayed when Jesus healed and forgave sins that is being displayed today. How is it that you can forgive sins? Does that previlege not reserved for God alone, they asked?
    Christ told his disciples that whatever they bound on earth is bound in heaven and whatever they forgive on earth is forgiven in heaven and hence the institution of the sacrament of reconciliation also known as confession in the layman’s language.
    I could go on and on, but I would rather reiterate that one should read his or her bible..

    • Yours truly, Ifeoma

      December 11, 2013 at 12:34 pm

      Error: Should read instead, Is that privilege not reserved for God alone, the asked?

  49. neefy

    December 2, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    “Aunty Amebo” …really? please kindly move to linda ikeji’s blog,think you are lost…”queen of the moon…” i’ve heard it all… lol!Spewing ignorance and stupidity with such boldness. As for Chris…why is anyone listening to this man please?

  50. just me

    December 2, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    I meant if u have a question,ask

  51. Ohmine

    December 2, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Oh Chris Okotie, we know u have lost power, integrity and respect. There others ways of gaining it back and not by bashing the catholic church to feel like you have power or that your important. His idea of the Catholic church is flawed, he could have done a little research before coming out in public and displaying his level of intelligence. The practice of love and being righteous is what will take one to heaven.

  52. phena E.

    December 2, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    weel, d bible said my ppl are destroyd cos of lack of knowlegde. Whether Okotie a gud Pastor or not, Roman Cath. is too religious, some of their doctrines are not biblical. Am not saying Pentecostals are Ok, bt wat is important is run ur race 2 the end, don’t be deceived, the Bible is the only sword u can believe

  53. K C

    December 2, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    Bible is the word of God which some christian do not know and cannot interpret.
    the truth lies that catholic church is founded by Jesus Christ Himself.Ignorant
    criticizes the doctrine/tradition of the church and forgets where in gospel of
    John 21:25 “And there are also many other things which,if they should be written everyone,i suppose that even the word itself could not contain the books that should
    be written”. please, let us read and understand our Bible lest we perish like Chris Okotie.
    May God have mercy on him.

  54. Okadigbo

    December 3, 2013 at 2:17 am

    As a born again Catholic,I do believe that I have a right to judge any person on earth(the bible said juge and u shall be judged) I judge and stand to be judged.. What I lack is the power to condemn period(for I can not cast the first stone). Okotie did not judge rather he condemned us to hell. I vote for him to be granted full scholarship to the best psychiatric institution in the world. Imagine Okotie thw womanizer (on what ground did he divorce his wives) the bible gave us one condition u and I knows what it is. Okotie with his life of falsehood (God gave me a prophesy that I am the next president of Nigeria) president of women. He does not even know the bible well that he does not remember the holy injunction “Do this In memory of me”. Nene,Chichi and others what are weird in the traditions of the church? Did u not read John 20: 20 – 25 (Mathew 18:18) does that area tell u what. He gave the apostles the power to forgive sins. That power transferred from the apostolic succession to the present Catholic priests. Images u pointed out. Christ thought with several illustrations and the church continued in that foot step. Well God asked moses to make a bronze serpent and hang it up so that those who looked to it will not die. Is that snake being worshiped? No by faith in God looking at that image, gave the afflicted healing. We don’t worship images of Mary,the saints nor that of Jesus sef. We reverence them just as I will reverence my oga at the top. Paul told us in the bible to follow them in their apostolic footsteps from their teachings,practice and life. (Romans 16:6,greet mary who has laboured much for us)…. These summed up to the dogma and traditions of the church. People from far and near will come and touch pauls apron or their kerchief on him and use those to touch the afflicted and they will be healed,did those people practice Idolatry? Why chichi and Nene u both display the level of ur ignorance I such a public place. For the guy who was like Mary replacing Holy spirit. U are the best joker of the year. Imagine what u are saying. Mary that the church tells u subjected herself to the will of God the father to be directed by the holy spirit. How can we replace holy spirit with Mary yet we believe in God. Stop contradicting yourself just to show ur biased,prejudiced stupendous ignorance state of mind with regards to religious matters. Granted there was error in the past due to human frailty but that does not mean that the church has ever erred in matters of faith and true worship of God. As for u ameabo,ur varsace or louise vouiton does not mean. Respect the muslims and face the topic of the day. When islamic issues are brought up, we can tackle that. As for now Okotie is the presiding joker. Well for those of you who still have other questions about the on true holy apostolic church, direct ur question to me [email protected]. Am not a priest just an ordinary street guy who has studied the church and the bible to ascertain if I am worshiping God as I should by being a Born again Catholic.

    • Blessmyheart

      December 5, 2013 at 1:05 pm

      But when God asked Moses to make a bronze serpent at that
      time did He also say that practice should continue? As for ‘eating
      the body of Christ’ that is definitely in the Bible. I don’t know
      why Chris Okotie is speaking against that. Jesus expressly asked us
      to continue that practice. Asides that, I won’t go as far as
      condemning the catholics but there are certain practices I don’t
      agree with. 1.Purgatory – there is NOWHERE in the bible that
      purgatory is mentioned. it is appointed unto man to die ONCE and
      after Judgement. 2.Praying to saints and/or Mary. Our righteousness
      is of Christ, the saints were only righteous on earth by the grace
      of God and we all have that same grace. Also note that Mary was in
      the upper room to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This
      tells you that the Holy Spirit is our comforter not Mary and Jesus
      is our intercessor, nobody else. In summary, let’s read our bibles
      and approach the throne of grace freely. Jesus has torn down the
      veil, we are free to approach God. And let’s stop pursuing religion
      instead, pursue a relationship with God.

  55. NNENNE

    December 3, 2013 at 2:56 am

    Proudly Catholic.

  56. Chibuzor F. Ogamba

    December 3, 2013 at 3:23 am


  57. Sere

    December 3, 2013 at 6:15 am

    For a moment i thought i had stumbled on one of those soft sell magazines that print just about anything to sell their papers. But why? why go down this road? For me its not just about this article. Name-calling and hate mail is slowly finding its way here or is it just my imagination?

  58. ogbonna john oluchi

    December 3, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Jesus christ said to peter….. in u I build my church & the gate of the under-world shall not preveal against it. PETER is the first pope of the catholic church……….

  59. Modella

    December 3, 2013 at 9:07 am

    How do anyone blame BN for posting this is what I’m still trying to understand

  60. hmmmm

    December 3, 2013 at 9:21 am

    bellanaija seriously you posted this? i wrote an article and sent to you by email and you said it was too christian and your website isn’t a religious website, then you now go ahead and post this? please make up your mind already

  61. Chaya

    December 3, 2013 at 10:50 am

    I’m always gonna remain a ROMAN CATHOLIC till forever comes… I’ve got a lot to say but I don’t think I’ve got strength for that. Well, some people have doubts about the Catholic church,… Some have bibles; they read it and yet don’t understand it. Believe whatever you want. Heaven’s an individual race. If you’re so concerned for the Catholic church, make sure you’re on the right path to heaven first. If not, run your own race. As for Chris Okotie, I reserve my comment.

  62. bishop

    December 3, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Well, well, well, wat is there to comment. the war has already begun. But i tell u solemnly, that judge not so dat u shld not be judged. those who want to be convinced about d happenings in the should either read them up or ask questions. dont stand nd watch bcos u will not understand. just as we dont understand when pastor buy jets for missionary works outside d country. pls, when u point a finger, remember others are pointing towards you.

  63. chi

    December 3, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    If you dont understand anything about a church y expose your ignorance? Seek for explanations first because those that are catholics are not complaining. They know their doctrines and know wot it means for them. When u have a poor knowledge of something you cannot make constructive statements you just open and close your mouth without making a meaningful statement. When u say things that are not sure you are not far from being a christian persecutor. So get ur facts first from a priest or someone who is dedicated.

  64. sly

    December 3, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    When I get to heaven, I hope to see Muslims, Buhdists, Anglicans, Catholics and even people who never went to any church in their entire lifetime. What my leader and Saviour Jesus Christ, said was, when Im lifted up, I shall draw ALL men to myself. I was born a Catholic, I’m still a Catholic and will live and die and go to Heaven a Catholic. I have not seeing any reason to the contrary, except some babbling from totally confused persons as Chris. Been a Catholic is the best thing that has happened to me.

    • Blessmyheart

      December 5, 2013 at 1:08 pm

      But Jesus also said no one comes into heaven except by Him.
      He is the only way. If you want to call yourself a Christian then
      be a Christian not a free thinker

  65. the truth

    December 3, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Please his church members should bundle fake pastor chris to a mental hospital. Let the so called church be shut dawn, until he is well. After that, bundle him for deliverance. This is not a joking matter o! The man is sick. Look at his life history, you will know what I am talking about

  66. the truth

    December 3, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    The publisher should take note. He or she should not publish such religious articles to the public. It brings disunity in the christiandom. What is your aim of publishing such article? Have you achieved it now? Please, please stop!!

  67. chichi

    December 3, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    Now, about the whole process of confession and forgiveness of sin. i love that you quoted john 20 an matthew 18 but how did the apostles understand and apply this? There is no record in the bible of a single instance in which an apostle listened to a private confession and then pronounced absolution. However, the requirements for being forgiven by God are set out in the bible. The apostles under the direction of the holy spirit could discern whether individuals were meeting such requirements and could on this basis declare that God had either forgiven or not forgiven them.Example is what happened in Acts 5:1-11..Do i believe that if one is spiritually sick and needs help that he can go to the older men for them to pray for him. yes cos its in James 5:14-16. But if you sin against God, Matt 6:6-12 says “when you pray, go into YOUR private room and after shutting YOUR door, pray to your father (God) in secret” before Jesus mentioned the lord’s prayer which also mentions forgiveness of sins. 1John 2:1 says “if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper(Jesus) with the father (God). At the end of the day, the only person that can really forgive us is God through Christ Jesus. Now this is what bothers me with the Catholics rite of reconciliation including auricular confession. One is the manner in which the priest is addressed. “Bless me father, for i have sinned”. Jesus says in matt 23;1,9 “you must call no one on earth father since you have only one father and he is in the heaven”secondly, the catholic church(according to your encyclopedia) teach that every sin no matter how serious can be forgiven which is false. Heb 10:26 says “if after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is also something called sinning against the holy spirit in mark 3:29 which is very serious. ..This is random but where in the bible is the hail Mary prayer that y’all do??..please show me..I stand by word when i say the Catholic church has a very violent past. Jesus said if you go to preach and the ppl do not accept your message, leave in peace. The church did the opposite. So being the first church dont mean nothing to me. A lot of these pentecostal churches are focused on the wrong things as well and the way some follow their pastors is ridiculous and i am not even going there.. So please ill say pick up your bible, sit, pray to God for understanding and REALLY READ. A lot of us are spiritually lazy these days and we take whatever is given to us without testing to see if it is really scriptural. Then we give the lazy man answer “do not judge”. We are not to judge one another but God gave us a brain and he wants us to use it and make sure of the “important things so that we are not lead astray”…He wants us to distinguish between right and wrong and that is why jesus says: by their fruits, you shall know them..So yes, God will judge all of us but i doubt that ignorance nor the spiritual complacency some of us display that make us say “proudly this or that” or “dont judge” will help us on judgement day. If you are not sure of something, open your bible and dig!!

    • Kay

      December 4, 2013 at 4:16 am

      I have just one more question: Catholics compiled the Bible in its present form. Aren’t all Christians some form of Catholic then, especially those that take that as the only teaching of God?

    • chichi

      December 5, 2013 at 4:06 am

      @ dear the answer is false. Now lets talk history and i mean actual facts..The one thing i do know is that the bible was originally written in hebrew, aramaic and greek languages. Almost 300 years before Jesus lived on earth, work began on translating the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek. That translation is known as the Greek Septuagint. Some 700 years later, Jerome produced a famous translation known as the Vulgate. This was a rendering of the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures into Latin, which was the common tongue of the Roman Empire of that time. Later, Latin began to fade as a common language. Only the well-educated maintained familiarity with Latin, and the Catholic Church resisted efforts to translate the Bible into other languages. Religious leaders argued that Hebrew, Greek, and Latin were the only suitable Bible languages. In 1079, Vratislaus, duke of Bohemia sought permission to use Slavonic in local church services. Do you know what one of your popes said, pope Gregory VII to be precise said and I qoute, “We cannot in any way grant this petition. It is evident to those who consider the matter carefully. that it has pleased God to make Holy Scripture obscure in certain places lest, if it were perfectly clear to all, it might be vulgarized and subjected to disrespect or be so misunderstood by people of limited intelligence as to lead them into error”. His words!!..The common people were given severely limited access to the Bible, and it had to stay that way. This stand afforded the clergy power over the masses. They did not want the common people dabbling in areas they considered to be their own domain. Now here is where it gets bloody. This is something your clergy dont deny but have swept under the rug..In 1199, a group of ppl had attempted to translate the bible in french and had dared to discuss it among themselves. Do you know what some pope called pope innocent III who thought he was God said? His exact words and i quote “That no simple and unlearned man presumes to concern himself with the sublimity of sacred Scripture, or to preach it to others”. The bible says the opposite in 1cor 1:27 which says that God chose the foolish things of the world that he might put the wise men to shame. Those who resisted the pope’s order were often delivered to inquisitors who had them tortured into making confessions. Those who refused to recant were burned alive. During the long battle fought over possession of the Bible and the reading of it, Pope Innocent’s letter was often appealed to for support in forbidding use of the Bible and its translation into other languages. Soon after his decree, the burning of Bibles in the vernacular began, as did the burning of some of their owners. In the centuries that followed, the bishops and rulers of Catholic Europe used all possible means to ensure that the ban imposed by Pope Innocent III was observed. The Catholic hierarchy certainly knew that many of its teachings were based, not on the Bible, but on church tradition. Doubtless, this is one of the reasons for their reluctance to allow their faithful to have access to the Bible. By reading it, people would become aware of the incompatibility between their church doctrines and Scriptures. Once again, please do your research. So my dear, if there is anyone you should be grateful to, it is God who used brave men to defy your leaders and translate the bible into other languages so that you and i would have access to the bible today and enjoy a personal relationship with him. Brainwash is a serious matter. I feel like replying to you ppl is a waste cos yall are not looking at this objectively like Tony said. In your heads, you are the modern day Israelites (God’s chosen ppl) and that is why you still follow some of what moses and co did when Jesus has already told Christians all the need to know. @ ifeoma, please some of what you replied isnt logical to me and imma need you to back up what you are talking about with scriptures (especially with what jesus and his apostles say about the issue). What you are saying about Abraham and the ark is so random. Please provide actual scriptures and stop recanting what your priest told you. The bible has ENOUGH message to guide Christians and the scriptures in Rev 22:18-19 says you must not add to the bible. This is something the catholic church is hella guilty of and comes as “doctrines” or “traditions” which according to you go in beautiful harmony with the bible. [email protected] Tony, thanks brah for seeing my point

    • Clara

      December 5, 2013 at 7:58 am

      Being a catholic or belonging to any other denomination is not important; the important thing is having a personal relationship with God. You mentioned that the catholic church had a violent past – it was the first church from which others arose so it would be more correct to say that the church had a violent past. We all thank God that that was in the PAST. what is important is what obtains now. The ‘Hail Mary’ prayer is a Bible verse that is recited as a prayer. As a catholic, I chose what I am comfortable with as the word of God guides me; if you leave one church for another, you will never stop because you will always find one thing or another to make you want to leave any church. The important thing is that no matter what church you attend, God guides us and not the humans that attend the church; make sure that your PERSONAL relationship with the Lord is intact. God bless you.

    • chichi

      December 5, 2013 at 2:54 pm

      The CATHOLIC CHURCH had a violent past. Let us not try to shift blames here. You know what? They still don’t know any better and that is why they always find a way to get involved in the wars of today. Your priests bless soldiers till today to go to war. And before you mention that the Israelites went to war, ill say you are not an Israelite but a christian. Jesus came to earth and preached peace. We are not to fight one another and when it comes to political wars, Christians are to separate themselves and be neutral. The catholic church don’t heed this warning. By going to war, you are trying to fight a world that is already headed for destruction. The ‘Hail Mary’ prayer is a Bible verse that is recited as a prayer. SHOW ME where in the bible!! Having a personal relationship is very important AND the scriptures says we must worship in spirit and TRUTH. If you think for a second that your beliefs/traditions/practices and denomination dont matter, then you are only doing yourself. Please read Matt 7:13-20. Thanks clara

  68. Yours truly, Ifeoma

    December 3, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    Let’s teach some catechism here:

    John 1: In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. And God’s spirit hovered over the earth.
    That is the Trinity; Three persons in one God.
    Again and again, Christ Jesus stated that he is God.
    … I and the Father are one
    …Whoever has seen me has seen the Father
    … I AM
    …Baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son And Holy Spirit.
    God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

    After Adam and Eve sinned, we were given a conscience, to know what is good and bad. Then there is contrition and repentance.
    Sin comes in various forms. Again and again the Israelites sinned against God. His wrath was like a blazing fire. Mortal man (men) prayed to him. And again and again did he relent in the punishment he had threatened to inflict on his people. Sometimes he punishes to correct us. Peter sinned against God the son. He was warned ahead of time. No, I do not know God, he said. And he repented and was forgiven. And God loved him. Peter, do you love me ask God? Yes, Lord, you know I do.
    …Feed my lamb
    …Tend my sheep
    …Feed my sheep
    Judas sinned against God the son. He confessed, but did he accept God’s forgiveness? No! We can only speculate what he must have been thinking when he took that route. Did he deem himself unworthy of God’s grace? So yes, sin comes in a variety of ways. What happens when we sin against the God the Holy Spirit? Mark 3 vs 9. This is the Spirit of truth and life. I strongly advocate we do not commit this sin. I know that with God, nothing is impossible. Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit when she gave us the last statement of the Hail Mary.

    Sin comes in various forms. However, we have a merciful Father who is slow to anger and rich in mercy. God does not delight in the death of a sinner but that he should repent and live. In our mother’s womb, he created us and knew us individually, fashioned us in his image and likeness.

    What is the meaning of father? What does it mean in your language? To whom do you say it to? And what is your intent when you say it? Or in what context do you use it? How many definitions does the dictionary give? In the confessional we tell the priest: Bless me father for I have sinned…not bless me Father in heaven for I have sinned. During mass we say: I confess to Almighty God that I have sinned…

    I could go on and on…

    • chichi

      December 5, 2013 at 6:48 am

      @ifeoma, pls what exactly are you trying to prove by telling me about the trinity?..That Jesus is the father?? For your information, the trinity is another doctrine that makes no sense. The trinity teaches that the father, son and holy spirit are not seperate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. It also teaches that they are equal and according to you three persons in one God which i find totally ridiculous. There is ALMIGHTY God/father whose name is actually JEHOVAH. Then there is a son Jesus Christ. Who is also a mighty God (big difference). As for the holy spirit, no where in the bible is it recorded that the holy spirit has a name or is a person. Rather luke 1:41 says that ppl were “filled” with holy spirit. Matt 3:11 says ppl were “baptized” with holy spirit. Acts 10:38 says ppl were “anointed” with holy spirit. None of these expressions would be appropriate if the holy spirit were a person. It is only logical to conclude that the holy spirit is a powerful force that God causes to emanate from himself to accomplish his holy will. How the catholic church concluded that the holy spirit is a person, i have no clue and it is something yall still haven’t been able to explain logically to me. When jesus says “i and the father are one” or “whoever sees me has seen the father”, it simply means he is the spitting image of his father not that they are EQUAL or that they aren’t separate or distinct individuals. When ppl see me, they say i look just like my mom, physically and in character. Some say we are one. Now, does that mean that we are equal, co exist and not separate individuals? No!!..Jesus left us with enough proof in the bible to show that himself and God are not equal. Please do yourself a favour and read the scriptures im about to give you.
      matt3:17- When Jesus was getting baptized, a voice broke out from heaven and said “This is my SON in whom i am well pleased”. Which shows that somebody up there definitely sent Jesus down to this earth.
      matt 26:39- Jesus says “My “father” if itis possible, let this cup pass away from me, nevertheless, not as i will but as you will”. Guess what? There was someone up there he had to answer to.
      -mark 13:32- Jesus says “concerning that day or hour, nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the son but the father”. So i ask, if jesus and the father were truly equal, why wouldnt jesus(the son) know??. Shows that someone is indeed greater than him.
      1cor 11:3- The head of every man is christ(not your pope), the head of a woman is her husband and the head of christ is GOD. Got it?
      john 14:28- Jesus says, “if you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because i go to the father, for the father is greater than I”. Enough said!!! Do you see why i say the doctrine of the trinity makes no sense?
      Was Jesus called a God in the bible?. Yes, but don’t get it twisted, there is only one TRUE GOD and ALMIGHTY GOD/FATHER. In john 17:1-3, Jesus was praying to his father and he said “Father, the hour has come, glorify your son that your son may glorify you…This means eternal life, their taking in knowledge of YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND of the one you sent forth, Jesus christ.
      1peter 1:3says “blessed be the GOD AND FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
      Please ifeoma, if you are not sure of something do a thorough research of the bible and don’t form conclusions by simply reading one scripture, twisting it and coming up with a doctrine.
      We are obviously on the same page when it comes to the different types of sins but i just feel like you are beating about the bush and not showing me FROM THE BIBLE why you need mary as an intercessor. You still havent shown me where the hail mary prayer you guys talk about is in the for peter being your first pope, i already cited what your church says about the succession. They said they have no evidence. What do you have to say about that?. The only question you have managed to answer is why you call your priest “father”which still makes no sense to me. The scripture i quoted for you in matt 23:9 says “Do not call anyone your father on earth for one is your father, the heavenly one”. Please let us not feign ignorance here. Jesus was obviously talking about a spiritual father. When you call your priest father, don’t you mean spiritual father or was he the one who gave birth to you?. What father do you mean? Please tell me. Cos i only have two fathers. A physical one and a spiritual one which Jesus mentions. Was Jesus talking gibberish when he said you should call no one on earth father but the one in heaven?..So whether you call your priest father or heavenly father at the end of the day, you are to have only one spiritual father, The ALMIGHTY GOD in the heavens. You ppl need to stop confusing yourselves…If you want to know what the bible says about a topic, read everything it has to say, then you will find the truth. Stop relying on every single doctrine you have been spoon fed. If you are going to reply, make sure you have enough scriptures to back what you are talking about, if not dont then dont bother. Read your bibles ppl. Thanks.

  69. femi

    December 4, 2013 at 1:15 am

    1. The fact is the Catholic church a true church?
    2. Are their doctrines biblical?
    3. Don’t judge the persons of individual priests or Okotie, no one is perfect!
    4. Judge the institutions of the Churches in the light of the Bible
    5. Check Church history

    If you would do the above with sincerity, you will arrive at the answer

  70. Yours truly, Ifeoma

    December 4, 2013 at 3:49 am

    Abraham is our father in faith
    And God told Abraham that Ishmael shall be a father of 12 nations

    And God said: Blessed is he who does not see yet believe…
    And God instituted the Church…
    And scripture tells us that not everything is recorded in the bible but these are that you might believe…
    And we know because our life history cannot all be contained in a single book and it does not sum us up
    And those are the traditions and doctrines of the Church. The two go in beautiful harmony.
    The Church cannot err in matters of faith because God instituted it.

    It is sheer arrogance to dismiss the word of God simply because it does not suit you.

    • Yours truly, Ifeoma

      December 4, 2013 at 4:35 am

      Your history depends on the length of time you’ve been around. When the ark of the covenant was in the care of Eli’s sons and they sinned , was the ark thrown away? NO. Rather they were punished but its care continued to pass on to the priestly line. And so as the Church continues to care for the word of God, in time we erred and slowly now we are offering apologies for the wrongs we have done. However, in matters of faith, the Church cannot err.
      The Church is the Body of Christ and we are the members.

    • Blessmyheart

      December 5, 2013 at 1:15 pm

      eerm, Eli’s sons sinned and were punished. The ark of
      covenant which signified the presence of God COULD not be thrown
      away. The church CAN err and the church can repent. God grant us
      your wisdom in Jesus name

  71. MyView

    December 4, 2013 at 4:43 am

    Lol! Fools fighting over which fairy tail is real.

  72. Ruth

    December 4, 2013 at 6:05 am

    Wow….. What a judge! An adulterer, a fornicator & a liar (among other unknowns) ………. Talking ill of d Catholic Church? It is my sincere prayer dat d Holy Spirit will do with U what He wills for profaning His Church

  73. uche

    December 4, 2013 at 11:28 am

    LOL! *sips cold apple juice*. You see my problem with christians? Everybody wanting to form ‘we’re the right followers of christ’. See, do whatever makes you and your God happy and let the rest of us be great. All this pointing fingers and verifying claims won’t solve the issue of world peace or hunger and unemployment. Thanks and God bless.

  74. Yours truly, Ifeoma

    December 4, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    …and the disciples told Christ that there were people who do not belong with them performing miracles in his name and asked to stop them. But God said no. Our Father’s arm is open for each and everyone of us.

    …FAITH, HOPE and LOVE. These three remain. And the greatest is love.

    I thank you Bella Naija for the opportunity. And to you, who have opened your heart to listen, I thank you.

    Yours truly,


  75. Nsehe

    December 4, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    Why are we at war over statement a man made? True or False, the day comes, sooner or later when we all will know who is right or run. Hold your peace and wait. I am certain, this not the first and will not be the last time people have made similar statements, do we go to war every time this happen? I would want to add catholic or no catholic, no man shall be justified by being catholic or being “protestant” but by the WORD of God. Instead of trying to kill this man, why do we spend more time in examining ourselves to ensure we do not end up in Hell, thus justifying this man’s statement. The best answer or response anyone can give to this statement is to prove it wrong, not by throwing words about but by getting to Heaven

  76. tachi

    December 4, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Very soon, the world will know the REAL TRUTH. Thank God for His Divine Mercy which is about to be shown to the world – the illumination of conscience (the warning). The Catholic church was founded by Christ through St Peter. Please all these people insulting the Sacrament of Confession that Jesus gave to us, be weary cos you are indirectly insulting Him. Very soon all peoples including myself will be humbled beyond imagination. – prophetic messages given to maria divine mercy for the times we are in. this generation will witness the second coming of Christ and all peoples will come under the one true Catholic and Apostolic Church. no more divisions or heresies.. thank God for that.
    Pray for Okotie, he is in serious need of our prayers. only prayers can save him from the gibberish he spoke. better to be silent than to be sorry later.

  77. funmisi

    December 4, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Okotie , you are Satan yourself, who are you to judge someone the church that is on solid rock, may God have mercy on you bcos u are already in hell on earth.

    • idifine

      January 16, 2014 at 1:16 pm

      Jesus said on the cross of Calvary “forgive them for they do not know what they are doing”. Everybody should forgive Chris who is not even qualified to be called a pastor of God. He would have rightly picked up his bible, read and interpret divorce as the bible thought us. If human being are to judge each other, pastor Chris will first of all go to hell, relax in a burning fire before the Catholics because he changes women like rapper, divorces like mad dog and almost makes love in the public. Man of God my foot. He did not know what to preach that day or may be a beautiful girl he has never seen in his so called church was sitting right in front of the seat. May God have mercy on him. the only saint in Nigeria.

  78. Yours truly, Ifeoma

    December 5, 2013 at 8:06 am

    * We believe that God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Christ is God. Therefore Christ ordered Moses to do what he did, put the image. The Israelites who you say are not Christians, would they go to hell because they where not Christians?

    * Why do you feel that if I have an image or a picture, that it automatically translates to worship? Who on earth worships their loved ones that they carry their pictures in the offices, bedrooms, and wallets?

    * You claim Peter was in Babylon and died there. Where is that in the Bible? And furthermore what Christian Church do you know of that sprang from Babylon, which is in present day Iraq?

    *Where is it in the Bible that any discussions of matters on faith must come from the Bible?

    * Who chose what books and contents go into the Bible?
    It is a group of imperfect men that came together under the divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit to put them down.
    Yes, Paul, one of the greatest doctors of the Church, wrote several books but Paul was not the one that decided what would go into the Bible. One would simply be naive to think that the books in the Bible are the only books of faith in that era.

    * I hope you do not feel that the Bible is a book that was mysteriously put on Earth?
    Some people agreed upon and decided the books as well as the translation of the contents that go into the Bible; the people of the Church. Unfortunately the only convincing proof I can give is if I took you back to that era and show you the decision makers, so you will have to rely on history and reasoning. Consider the story of Sir Isaac Newton. How could you say with certainty that he is the true author of the laws of classical motion? Most likely, I will have to take you back to that era but you simply use history as well as reasoning to convince yourself. Now the Bible actually predates Newton’s law and massive book printing.

    This is the dictionary definition of intercessor:
    1. Entreaty in favor of another, especially a prayer or petition to God in behalf of another.
    2. Mediation in a dispute.

    Again and again we are enjoined in the Bible to pray for one another.

    For all who would want to genuinely know more please about the Church please visit this Catholic website:

    • chichi

      December 5, 2013 at 4:11 pm

      Typical!!!..I gave you a bunch of scriptures..What do you have to say about those scriptures??..Did you read what they said about christ and the almighty God?..if you still equate christ to God after reading the scriptures i have given you, then there is something wrong. They say when ppl are confused and are not sure of what they are talking about and in your case can not back it up with the bible, they start to utter ridiculous speech. You ask where it is that matters of faith should only come from the bible?? How dare you??..just say you cant give me scriptures instead of suggesting that the bible is just some book ppl put together and that there are other books of faith somewhere. God USED ppl to assemble his word and everything we NEED to practice Christianity is in there. That is why the bible warns us not to add or subtract. Why would you put faith in what your clergy teach and says its in some book when you have the bible??..Is that not brainwash??. The images of mary yall have isnt for decoration. You use it for something which neither mary, jesus nor God begged you to do. You still havent shown me where the scriptures says you should honor her or your hail mary prayer.
      When ppl pray for you, they still pray through christ jesus. Your fellow brothers and sisters who pray for you aren’t your mediator. stop getting things twisted. Today, it is your pope, then it is mary, then it is your priest/father. Im sorry but you are confused., What do you have to say about the scripture i gave you where jesus says no one can get to the father except through him and that he is the only mediator? Was he talking rubbish?.
      Im sorry ifeoma but me and you are not on the same wavelength. I am stuck on the scriptures while you are stuck on traditions/ doctrines from other books. So we obviously cant reason together. Nne pls, do yourself a favour and remove those cobwebs and read God’s word objectively.

    • Yours truly, Ifeoma

      December 6, 2013 at 3:08 am

      It seems to me that you think we should battle using only scriptures. Unfortunately, maybe by my earlier posts, the point was not clear from the beginning. The reason that I am responding is to really help anyone WILLING to understand the Christian way of life taught by the Catholic Church. I, in no way, claim full authority of the Christian way of life; that’ll be plain arrogance. However, the much I know, I am almost compelled to share with those WILLING to hear and have an OPEN mind; my conscience is clear. Nobody is being coerced to believe but all I ask is an OPEN mind to truly comprehend the rationale.

      If you really think about what you said, you’ll see multiple flaws. I really do not want to make you feel bad and I sincerely apologize if I am upsetting you but here are a few of the flaws in your most recent post:

      1. In John 10:30 (what you really like, just scriptures right?): “I and the Father are one” = “Christ Jesus is God” (see the full context for more conviction).

      2. Quoting you verbatim, “God USED ppl to assemble his word and everything we NEED to practice Christianity is in there…”. I don’t want to make this a laughing matter, but a second look at your statement, Chichi, will surely tell you that you’ve contradicted yourself. You surely relied on something not in the scriptures to make that statement. I am NOT saying that I don’t BELIEVE what you said about God-inspiring people to write the Bible, BUT it is such matters along with many others that clearly shows you that you are incorporating a TEACHING not directly in scriptures. Here is the other problem: even if it were in scripture, then an unbeliever will say something like the following “you must not be serious…the writers intentionally put that information there so they could CONTROL your mind.”

      I could go on and on, but now I really want this to be succinct and, by God’s grace, help anyone WILLING to be open to UNDERSTAND. Thinking that a forum discussion will resolve most matters of faith is clearly NAIVE.

      God bless to everyone and again many thanks to Bella Naija and more importantly, let us use our time to help others and do something positive in society…you can always contribute to one of the most charitable organizations in the world like St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital (I know there is a bit of sarcasm here, but it is meant to broaden our thinking of what PRACTICAL things we do: St Jude’s CRH premise “no child should die in the dawn of life”).

    • chichi

      December 6, 2013 at 4:49 pm

      Lol..nne, im not mad at you. Do i hate when ppl twist the scriptures and come up with ridiculous teachings?. yes i do.
      Girl i am so glad you said we should have an open mind and “see the full context” to gain conviction. That is very true. But i have to tell you this ifeoma, from our little discussion, you dont practice what you preach. When you give me scriptures, i explain to you what they mean. I asked you questions about the numerous scriptures i gave you and you have not explained ONE. You carefully dodge it and nitpick on “flaws”, flaws which you even you believe in.
      1) yes, girl i really love the scriptures and i believe you aint talking much if you cant support your teachings with what the bible in its ENTIRETY says about something. Thank you God you said we should see the “full context”. How do we see it?. Is it not by examining what other scriptures have to say about the topic?. I have given you a total of FIVE scriptures to prove that there is an ALMIGHTY GOD up there that is greater than Jesus. I have begged you to explain even ONE?..I asked you if jesus was talking gibberish in those scriptures. Many replies later and you still havent answered my question. How does that make you an open minded person?. You keep quoting john 10:30 which i have already explained to you. When ppl say you and your dad are one. Does that automatically make you your father or the head of your family?. When two are joined in holy matrimony, they declare them ONE. Does that automatically mean that the wife is the husband/head of the family?. Nne biko this is common sense. P.s. please go back and read those scriptures i gave you on the topic and only when you agree to explain them will i view you as open minded.
      2) “God USED ppl to assemble his word and everything we NEED to practice Christianity is in there…”. You believe it but you want to point out flaws right?. I did not contradict myself at all. This is once again common sense but i will also give you scriptures if you are not sure. You said the bible did not just fall from heaven. Exactly!!!..Did God use plants, rocks, water or sand to give us his word?. Was it not through humans?. Do you know that some of the writers of the bible were not sure or did not even understand what they were writing?. Daniel is an example. Please read Daniel12:4,7-8. Daniel did not understand what he was hearing or writing and God told him to just write and seal the book.
      2 peter 1:20,21 says that no prophecy of scripture springs from any private interpretation. For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit”. So please how did i contradict myself when i said men were USED. Were they not?
      How did i contradict myself when i said the bible contains everything we need to know as Christians?. 2timothy 3:16,17 says and i qoute “All scripture is inspired of God and BENEFICIAL FOR TEACHING, for reproving, FOR SETTING THINGS STRAIGHT, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be FULLY COMPETENT, COMPLETELY EQUIPPED FOR EVERY GOOD WORK. Once again, how did i contradict myself? Ifeoma, these are basic scriptures that every christian should know and that is why i didnt see the need to give you these scriptures in the first place. But since, you wanted scriptures, there you have it. As for unbelievers, the bible says that some fools will reject God’s word. So if you show them what they need to know and they still reject it, brush your feet and move on.. When, i talk to you, i give you scriptures, and i expect the same from you.
      You are right, everything will not be made clear on bella naija but one can still REASON and that is why i keep saying, READ YOUR BIBLE.. P.s charity work is good but also make sure you are using your time for the most important work of spreading God’s word cos whether you like it or not ppl will continue to suffer in this world. This world is doomed and passing away. We are waiting for something much better and it is those who hear it and repent that are most likely to make it. And before you ask me where it is in the scriptures, i will say READ YOUR BIBLE. IT IS THERE. lol..Girl, nice talking to you but pls you really need to be open minded as well.

    • Yours truly, Ifeoma

      December 11, 2013 at 12:37 pm

      Again, in defining intercession, it should be on behalf not in behalf…

  79. Mrs Nwosu

    December 5, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Wow, the attack on the catholic church will never stop, but the word of God says hades will not prevail over it.

  80. Yours truly, Ifeoma

    December 6, 2013 at 3:07 am

    Still on intercession:

    God the Father called Mary, Highly favoured. God the Holy Spirit called her Blessed and still we need yet more confirmation from God the Son. Lord, teach us to have faith.
    Yes, Blessed rather is he/she who hears the word of God and does it. Did not Our Lady do exactly that? Out of her own freewill. She obeyed God.

    And so always we ask for her intercession before God.

  81. pam

    December 6, 2013 at 8:37 am

    I will honour Mary because she is the mother of Jesus my Lord and she too heard the Word of God and kept it, so she is indeed blessed. That’s enough reason for me.

  82. pam

    December 6, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Hail Mary, full of Grace

    Luke 1:28
    (Hail, full of Grace)

    The Angel Gabriel greets Mary with very respectful greeting used for royalty. The text doesn’t say “Mary” after Hail but it is implied. Gabriel then proclaims Mary full of Grace (full of God’s own life and love);

    The Lord is with you

    Luke 1:28
    (The Lord is with you)

    This is word for word. The Angel Gabriel said that the Lord is with Mary, she is full of his Grace, his own life.

    Blessed are you among women

    Luke 1:41 (Blessed are you among women)

    Elizabeth is filled with the Holy Spirit; she is inspired by the 3rd person of the Blessed Trinity to proclaim that Mary is the most blessed among all women.

    And blessed is
    the fruit of thy womb Jesus

    Luke 1:42 (and blessed is the fruit of your womb)

    Elizabeth still inspired by the Holy Spirit proclaims that the fruit of Mary’s womb, the developing Jesus, is blessed. The text doesn’t say “Jesus” after womb, but it is implied, the fruit of her womb is Jesus.

    Holy Mary, Mother of God

    Luke 1:43 (And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?)

    Mary is full of God’s grace; this would make her holy. Mary is the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ who is the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity. Since Jesus is God this makes her the mother of God. She is the mother of the God-Man Jesus, not the mother of the Trinity.

    Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death

    James 5:16 (Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power
    in its effects)

    St. James tells Christians to pray for one another. All the baptized are members of the body of Christ (1Cor 12:12-14), therefore it is right to pray for other members of the body. James goes on to say that the prayers of the righteous have great power. What human (other then Jesus) is more righteous then the Blessed Mother? Though she is in heaven she still hears the prayers of her children on Earth and intercedes for them

    • Yours truly, Ifeoma

      December 6, 2013 at 8:28 pm

      Thank you so much, Pam, for this wonderful explanation of the Hail Mary prayer.

  83. Yours truly, Ifeoma

    December 6, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Flaws once again…I’ll give you a tautology (in logic); in this argument, A is a statement and B is a statement:
    1. A is True; B is False; Therefore “A and B” is FALSE.
    Now, the better understanding for you and anyone else not following. In the above statement and in the context of your quote that I re-quoted:
    A = “God USED ppl to assemble his word” (This is true according to scriptures)
    B = “everything we NEED to practice Christianity is in there.” (This is False).

    I agree with you on part A, but you did this: “A and B”…that, unfortunately, is FALSE. Hence, you pulled something NOT in scripture. Here is 2timothy 3:16,17: “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for EVERY good work.”

    If this is still hard to understand, here is a better one, “it is useful for you to know how to drive a car so that you can go to EVERY drivable destination in Nigeria”. Hmm…but I think that my friends can drive me too, I think that I can take a Taxi, etc.

    If this is still hard, here is another one for you: “What happens if one cannot read. Does this mean that they are not equipped to do what the Lord desires?”

    I made my statements simple because I’ve come to the realization that arguing everything about faith is a waste of time. After a while, it bores others who could gain from the meat of the discussion. For that reason, I picked on simple flaws to point out to you and hope it helps someone.

    2. On the second issue “Jesus is God”, here are more helpful hints:
    John 1:14 – “And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.” Maybe there is a different meaning to flesh that you have, but most people are not confused about what flesh means nor are they confused about “dwelt among us”.

    Last parting word:
    For someone REALLY willing to know better about the Church, the Catholic Church’s teaching, kindly visit www(dot)ewtn(dot)com and see the numerous help under the “Faith” tab. Yes, you could argue that is not an independent site, but you could always point to something and say this is true or false, if you are true to yourself.

  84. chichi

    December 7, 2013 at 4:45 am

    lol..OMG..i cant believe you just totally twisted that scripture because you want to prove me wrong. I have more answers for you but i wont give it cos its a waste of time. You are WAY too desperate to prove me wrong and i hate to say this but it is clouding your judgement and is making you come up with strange illustrations. I cant believe that you call yourself a christian and we are here having an argument over whether everything we need to live the christian way of life is in the bible. This is so shameful, embarrassing and a slap in the face to the one who provided us with his precious book for us to discern his will and practice it. This is why other religions dont take Christians seriously. Nne, the bible is not enough ohh..feel free to rely on man made doctrines, infact borrow ramayana, veda and the Quran so that you can be practicing your own “every good work” and be “arriving at different destinations” like a person with no sense of direction. You are waiting for 2 timothy 3: 16, 17 to tell you verbatim that the bible makes you competent and equipped to practice christian works for you to understand that that is what it means right?
    You asked…“What happens if one cannot read. Does this mean that they are not equipped to do what the Lord desires?” im sorry but this is another embarrassing question that a CHRISTIAN shouldn’t ask. If you are truly a christian, please search your heart and answer that question. Where else would they find what the lord really desires?..Is it from a pagan shrine, the Quran or from some Hollywood movie? This is why i mentioned earlier about how the catholics tried to stop ppl from translating the bible into other languages but thank God they did not succeed and today the bible is the most translated book on earth. We even have it in igbo. There is also provision for someone who cannot read even his own native tongue and that is why jesus stressed repeatedly the importance of preaching and TEACHING ppl. There is always a way to let these once see what the BIBLE says. They dont have to look elsewhere to discern what the lord desires, ya heard!!!
    Pam his given me a bunch of scriptures that still doesn’t prove your point of making mary your intercessor and trust me, i read every single scripture she gave me. All i got was “hail mary” which means “greetings mary” which the angel said before he delivered his message. Then she gives me a bunch of scriptures to prove that Mary was blessed. Who is arguing that? She was blessed but so were other women in the bible. That is not enough reason to make her an intercessor/ mediator especially since Jesus did not tell us to make his mother an intercessor. Jesus already said “NO ONE CAN COME THROUGH THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME”. I have asked you ppl repeatedly to explain that and none of you gave me an answer. You leave what jesus said you should do and do what jesus did not beg you to do. You place mary on a pedestal and ignore the person who told you to go through him. What is wrong with you ppl??. There is no account in the bible of anyone using Mary as an intercessor. People said she was blessed and that’s it.
    My grandfather was a very intelligent man, was an ardent student of the bible and was catholic. He left because according to him “their teachings are confusing and dont add up”. Now, as a young lady, i can totally see why he left. Oh by the way thanks for proving to me that you cannot explain any of the scriptures i gave you. Practice your own Christianity how you deem fit but one day we will all have to answer to God about how we used his word the bible. I’m out girl and take care 🙂

  85. pam

    December 7, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Matters of faith are often viewed as ridiculous by our
    limited human mind, for example what could be more ridiculous than
    John 6: 53-68. but Jesus didn’t mince words, didn’t try to soften
    His words so the people wouldn’t leave, anyone who chose not to
    believe or to accept His teaching was free to leave, He was quite
    clear about what He said.

  86. pam

    December 7, 2013 at 11:32 am

    No one can Come to the father except through me – Jesus
    If I pray for you or in other words intercede for you in prayer , I haven’t taken the place of Jesus. Praying for you means I am coming to the father in prayer through Jesus on your behalf. Praying for people who are sick, or who are in difficulty of any kind means interceding for them. It does not exclude Jesus. He is the way, the truth and the life, I recognize this so I come to Him at your request or through my own initiative on your behalf. That is what the Christian does. That is what the mother of Jesus does for anyone who asks her to intercede or pray for them, also in the “Our Father” prayer Jesus taught the disciples very explicitly to pray for others, he uses plural. OUR Father, who art in heaven, give US this day OUR daily bread and forgive US OUR trespasses, as WE forgive those who trespass against US…etc..This prayer suggests that we are expected to pray for others to intercede for the needs of others, it’s not just about me, my needs and Jesus. We are expected to be intercessors for one another.
    In John 2: 1-11 Jesus worked his very first miracle through the intercession of Mary at the wedding in Cana even when the appointed time had not yet come for him to reveal himself. What came to my mind was how Jesus must have loved his mother to concede to her request over something as trivial as restocking the wine being used at a wedding, even when it was not time for him to reveal himself. How much more would he want to honour her request over something more significant. She saw the need to help the couple out of an embarrassment and went to her son Jesus for help and even though Jesus raised an objection, He still succumbed to his mother’s request.
    Mary does not answer our prayers, any more than I answer the prayers I say for others. Rather, Mary, you and I all are intercessors. We do not answer the prayers, we simply intercede with the Father through his Son Jesus.
    St. James tells Christians to pray for one another. All the baptized are members of the body of Christ (1Cor 12:12-14), therefore it is right to pray for other members of the body. James goes on to say that the prayers of the righteous have great power. What human (other than Jesus) is more righteous then the Blessed Mother? Though she is in heaven she still hears the prayers of her children on Earth and intercedes for them.
    As for Mary being put on a pedestal, I think God Himself did that first when he placed her higher above every other person on earth, male or female when he chose her to be the mother of our Lord and savior, Jesus Christ. We honour her and praise God for taking one of usand setting her apart to enjoy such great privilege.

  87. Dr Charles

    December 8, 2013 at 5:09 am

    First I will start I will like to say because of likes of
    Chris Okotie,odas who go to pastor school 2 monthS and become a
    pastor and start decieving people and many protestants who
    undestand bible up side down was the reason catholics kept the
    bible out of peoples reach and read it to them and make them to
    believe that every word coming from it was God speaking to them
    afresh. As for commonion Christ himself said do this in memory of
    me,and unless you eat my body and drink my blood you will not be
    saved,and also he said I am the bread of life cf gospel of st John.
    About confession Christ himself gave his apostoles the power to
    forgive sins,and christ told his disciples confess your sins to one
    another. About if Catholic church is atrue Church,Catholic church
    has no human founder,it started with d apostels when the flee to
    rome because of purge of Empero Nero in isreal,catholic stayed 1557
    years before protestant churches started coming out through martin
    luther and king henry d 8.that’s why we call every other xtain
    church protestants cos the protested against the true faith
    instuted by other word catholic church. Is the mother of all
    christian faith. So I ask Okotie and co,if catholic church is
    fake,it then means that christ allowed his christianity to come
    into the world true a fake channel? My protestant friends be
    rational,can a nigerian boy claim to be more nigerian than the
    father?so also no protestant church can claim to be more real than
    catholic church. Come to think of it Christ prayed father may they
    be one,and they will be under one sheephold and one shephard,is
    only catholic church that has maintained that unity of is 2013 years now still being one under one shephard
    pope dat is enough to prove dat is a true church from christ. About
    Mary and images,the bible says all geneation shall call her
    blessed. Remember,when Jesus was about to die he gave the most
    beloved apostle charge to take care of the mother,and Mother Mary
    necessitated Jesus first miracle in the world true her intercession
    at wedding of. Cannan.So know it that Jesus doesn’t joke with his
    mother and am sure u don’t jokes with yours too. Bible said do not
    worship images,in catholic we do not worship images it serves as
    reminder,just as protestant keepp the picture of their founder
    everywhere.I want to ask a question. Nigerian and American Armies
    salute their flags,does it means dat d worship the flag,no rather
    is a sign of reverance to dia country. Isreal ark of covenant is
    status of cherubim and sarafin with d decalog. Chich said dat image
    of d sapent is in old testament dat it is not applicable to us but
    remeber dat ur pastor always qout malachi 3 vs 10 to you guys about
    tithe,so why do u obey dat one? The pope is successor of st peter
    and Jesus said to peter “you are d rock upon you I shall build my
    church,and gate of hell shall not prevail..”So Christ is thinks God
    is a double standard man? He should go and ask for forgiveness. If
    he is looking for cheap popularity,he should continue with his
    presidential ambition not using catholic church.woo to that man who
    says “thus says the Lord when the Lord hasn’t spoken” may God have
    mercy on him…God told me to divorce my wife,God told me to be the
    president of Nigeria. Mtcheeeeewwww.

  88. Dr Charles

    December 9, 2013 at 10:37 am

    First I will start I will like to say because of likes of Chris Okotie,odas who go to pastor school 2 monthS and become a pastor and start decieving people and many protestants who undestand bible up side down was the reason catholics kept the bible out of peoples reach and read it to them and make them to believe that every word coming from it was God speaking to them afresh.
    As for commonion Christ himself said do this in memory of me,and unless you eat my body and drink my blood you will not be saved,and also he said I am the bread of life cf gospel of st John.
    About confession Christ himself gave his apostoles the power to forgive sins,and christ told his disciples confess your sins to one another.
    About if Catholic church is atrue Church,Catholic church has no human founder,it started with d apostels when the flee to rome because of purge of Empero Nero in isreal,catholic stayed 1557 years before protestant churches started coming out through martin luther and king henry d 8.that’s why we call every other xtain church protestants cos the protested against the true faith instuted by other word catholic church. Is the mother of all christian faith. So I ask Okotie and co,if catholic church is fake,it then means that christ allowed his christianity to come into the world true a fake channel? My protestant friends be rational,can a nigerian boy claim to be more nigerian than the father?so also no protestant church can claim to be more real than catholic church.
    Come to think of it Christ prayed father may they be one,and they will be under one sheephold and one shephard,is only catholic church that has maintained that unity of is 2013 years now still being one under one shephard pope dat is enough to prove dat is a true church from christ.
    About Mary and images,the bible says all geneation shall call her blessed. Remember,when Jesus was about to die he gave the most beloved apostle charge to take care of the mother,and Mother Mary necessitated Jesus first miracle in the world true her intercession at wedding of. Cannan.So know it that Jesus doesn’t joke with his mother and am sure u don’t jokes with yours too.
    Bible said do not worship images,in catholic we do not worship images it serves as reminder,just as protestant keepp the picture of their founder everywhere.I want to ask a question. Nigerian and American Armies salute their flags,does it means dat d worship the flag,no rather is a sign of reverance to dia country. Isreal ark of covenant is status of cherubim and sarafin with d decalog. Chich said dat image of d sapent is in old testament dat it is not applicable to us but remeber dat ur pastor always qout malachi 3 vs 10 to you guys about tithe,so why do u obey dat one?
    The pope is successor of st peter and Jesus said to peter “you are d rock upon you I shall build my church,and gate of hell shall not prevail..”So Christ is thinks God is a double standard man? He should go and ask for forgiveness.
    If he is looking for cheap popularity,he should continue with his presidential ambition not using catholic church.woo to that man who says “thus says the Lord when the Lord hasn’t spoken” may God have mercy on him…God told me to divorce my wife,God told me to be the president of Nigeria. haters should just go and read John 2w vs 25

  89. Frederick Michael

    December 10, 2013 at 10:49 am

    The truth that this so called funky Pastor lacks what to preach to his people he is collecting money from to go into Politics and chase all things under the skirt.His end will soon come for condemning and judging Christian.This a person who said he has repented after going on street singing and glorifying Satan and he is still has not repented.

  90. zeal

    December 28, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    that it is popular does not make it right. The road to condemnation is large and impressively accommodating, the reverse is the case with the road that leads to life…”Narrow is the path that leads to life”. Truth can be very bitter, yet it cannot loose its saving power.

  91. Will

    January 11, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    Loooooooool, well done y all, u ve all succumbed to okotie’s req

  92. choco

    January 24, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    Let he without sin cast the first stone….It is immaterial where you decide to worship, the main focus is who you worship and believe in, why you worship and believe that, how that affects your daily life with yourself and others. This tends to shape your life without you consciously controlling it. Religion is not just in churches or mosques or traditional homes, it is in you, your character. True pastors and priests don’t condemn each other, rather they encourage converts, using a common phrase “to find a bible believing church”. People, including the “so-called” God-chosen need to stop judging and condemning and start living their lives in a manner that people will emulate. Make your life a good book for people to read, it may be the only bible they ever read. #A-VERY-PROUD-ROMAN-CATHOLIC.

  93. Raphael

    May 21, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    All of una mumu no be small! Person the look for how him go dey for news ? una ma follow up the fan the guy. Just wasting your precious time. Okada next Junction jare….

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