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Genevieve Magazine November 2015 Tiwa Savage BellaNaija
Tiwa Savage is opening up about the untold story behind her pregnancy. The music superstar gave birth to her first child – a son – in July 2015.  The singer-songwriter opens up on her Difficult pregnancy, the battle with pre-eclampsia (a potentially fatal condition which affects pregnant women), motherhood and her music. It’s engaging.

Want to read the story? Pick up the November 2015 edition of Genevieve Magazine. We can’t help but notice the totally fierce cover!

63 Comments

  1. jasmine

    November 16, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    Bella, not even a glimpse of what she said? Kai!!!

    • Missappleberry

      November 16, 2015 at 8:25 pm

      Lol. Go and buy the mag!

  2. titi

    November 16, 2015 at 7:09 pm

    She looked fresh and so good!!

    • Bola

      November 16, 2015 at 9:54 pm

      there are way too many bitter women on Bella naija these days! Thank God for your safe delivery Tiwa

  3. Mee

    November 16, 2015 at 7:53 pm

    Wow she had preeclampsia and she was still dancing rigorously at shows while pregnant??? Thank God she had a safe delivery,

  4. Corrolla

    November 16, 2015 at 8:18 pm

    “We can’t help but notice the totally fierce cover!” Who writes all these corny articles?

  5. Tee

    November 16, 2015 at 8:24 pm

    Seriously?mtshewww Tiwa must be feeling like d first woman to get pregnant.Pre-eclemsia whatever is a battle not uncommon to pregnancy nah.All I know is every woman who’s Bn pregnant before has a story to tell and those stories are kinda similar.So Tiwa,nothing special abt urs too ‘my darling’

    • Lilo

      November 16, 2015 at 8:37 pm

      Don’t mind her. She forgets that the insiders will come and spread her yansh.

    • Rolly

      November 16, 2015 at 8:40 pm

      Do you feel better now you’ve let all your bitterness out? What a stupid comment

  6. wasek

    November 16, 2015 at 8:24 pm

    Bellanaija u people are not nice to we tiwa’s fan not even a glimpse of what she said in her interview nawa oooo

  7. Lilo

    November 16, 2015 at 8:36 pm

    Anything to stay in the news or sell a magazine. Beashes be making ish up. Tiwa, stop lying and sit down please.

    • Esohe

      November 16, 2015 at 8:57 pm

      Exactly, all these old women that will give birth and not just rejoice instead they will come up with silly stories. First Uche Jombo was in labour for 780 hours then Tiwa, soon Stephanie. Biko let me hear word, I have 4 kids the last 2 are twins. I had them all before age 29 and I am 37 just about their ages!. So been there, you just go in, pray and by Gods grace you come out ok with the baby. Just go to the magazines and praise God full stop. All these silly stories are just sickening! Untold Mystery! Untold Thriller!

    • dupsy

      November 16, 2015 at 10:14 pm

      I have said it here that Naija women are our the worst critics of other Naija women. I personally know people who have died from preclampsia and you know what it sometimes comes suddenly without any warning. What do you mean by old women? Is it everyone who will be fortunate to marry at age 20 and get pregnant at 21 so easily? I think your statement represents your thinking that someone can plan their lives, Please I am happy that preclampsia is brought to the fore so that women in Nigeria will know what it is and put measures to safeguard it during pregnancy. The first time I heard about this condition was 20 years ago when a pregnant colleague died all of a sudden, she was okay, jolly and vibrant and just slumped and died all of a sudden at work. I can’t forget that event in my mind. This can happen to any pregnant woman irrespective of age.

    • nnenne

      November 17, 2015 at 12:22 am

      Esohe… Nice to know you had your kids early but sometimes even young women go through difficult pregnancies and labor.
      I know a girl who married at 18 and has the most awful pregnancy history. I know another who married right out of high school and can’t conceive. Five years after, she had insemination. I have seen many with. Pre- eclampsia and they were very young.
      Be happy and grateful for what you have but please don’t look down on other people.

    • Nahum

      November 17, 2015 at 1:17 am

      What a stupid comment!!!! So because you had no issues, other women are not allowed to have issues with their pregnancies? What was the point of your comment sef? To shame them for being older mothers or to shame them for having difficult pregnancies or just to declare to the world that you had four babies before 30? Please what was your point??? Silly

    • Idomagirl

      November 17, 2015 at 4:29 am

      Your comment is terrible and insensitive.
      Yeah you had your kids at so and so age, here’s a cookie.
      It’s very unfortunate how unfeeling you are about these life and death matters. Nigerians are notoriously close minded about these issues, it’s a good thing that people are speaking up about them.
      You had easy pregnancies good for you, but that isn’t the same for everyone.

    • Puzzles

      November 17, 2015 at 7:44 am

      Madam esohe, woye? u must be a miserable married woman for you to type such nonsense.

      Is it not a fact that childbirth mortality is very high in Nigeria? I know 2 women who died this year due to pregnancy complications. Their children also died. Are you better than they are, O mother for four kids before 29?

      How dare you trivialize another woman’s pregnancy experience. is it because she’s a celebrity and you’re not? or you feel you’re a better person just because you’ve had all four kids before 29 and she’s just having hers? They are “old women”, abi? But God has blessed them with their own kids even though according to you they are “old women”

      How dare you mock another person because of your ‘success’ in getting married and having all your kids before you’re 30? so you’re better than the woman who got married the same age as you did but have not been blessed by children? or you’re better than your age mates who have not been blessed with a husband yet?

      How dare you make mockery of another person when you don’t know what your life might be tomorrow? when you don’t know what your children’s lives might be tomorrow? Do you know if you would be alive to enjoy your children when they become something in life?

      Many women have died while their kids were still young, without even enjoying the fruit of their labour. Some children have brought disgrace and disappointment to their parents in spite of their parents’ best efforts to raise them. Some parents have even buried their children! We all know of the woman who lost her three kids in the plane crash involving school kids in port Harcourt. More recently, a mudslide killed four children from the same parents here in Lagos. So please, we don’t pray for bad things to happen but bad things do happen. Hence, be careful what you say or type in blogs.

      Stephanie is someone I was sincerely happy for when I heard she was pregnant. I don’t know her. I’ve never met her but I felt bad when her first marriage crashed and I sincerely believed her inability to have a child might have contributed to it (even though it was never stated in the tabloids or blogs.) When she got married and after some years became pregnant, I was happy! I was looking forward to hearing her pregnancy stories. To my surprise, she made it seem like she deliberately waited till now to get pregnant. I was disappointed. I thought she would mention her struggles so as to inspire other women who find themselves in such a situation. But now after seeing your comment, I realized why she might have done so. She did it so that people like you would not insinuate that she’s lying so she can be relevant.

      Why do women do this to each other? Why? We complain that men do this, men do that, but you treat your fellow woman badly.

      Please change your ways o.

    • Shandi

      November 17, 2015 at 8:50 am

      Esohe, I’ll be disappointed if you’re a woman. What an unnecessarily cruel comment. You do realize Uche had a tough pregnancy and actually lost the 1st but was lucky to conceive immediately after that? It’s much more better to show compassion and sensitivity, rather than stupidity. Disgusted by you pesky and reasonless remarks. God help you!

    • FJ

      November 26, 2015 at 7:52 pm

      If you have nothing good today.. just shut up!

    • Rolly

      November 17, 2015 at 10:51 am

      You and the other HATEFUL person that co-signed with your absurd comment are pathetic. No one cares about what you went through….tell it to your diary. What an arrogant way of reasoning. Because it didn’t happen to you or people you know, then it must either be a lie or an exaggeration?? BN I’m getting a bit confused as to why you allow certain comments get posted.
      Women can be so spiteful.

  8. Temisan

    November 16, 2015 at 8:43 pm

    This woman be hotting like kilode.,..beautiful cover….give us some gist abt the interview Na….

  9. bbb

    November 16, 2015 at 9:04 pm

    Since her interview is on motherhood, wonder why the stylist had to pick that outfit.. What’s with the thigh exposure…she looks more like someone dressed to hit the stage!!!

  10. Sandy

    November 16, 2015 at 9:06 pm

    Pre-eclalmpsia indeed! She was TWERKING on Stage and globetrotting throughout her “Pregnancy” . Which Doctor would have allowed that?? Story Teller! Her Doctor would have put her on BED REST!

  11. Stella Kashmoney

    November 16, 2015 at 9:23 pm

    Exactly she should have been on bed rest if she had the issues she is saying she had. Oh well….

  12. Ivy

    November 16, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    Bellanaija, I take God beg una: post my comment. Ignorant and bitter idiots like Lilo and Tee need to be addressed. 1. Lilo and Tee, you and your kind are the reason why there is so much hate and cyber bullying in the world today. You guys are her gynecologists, abi? So you know she’s lying? See, no be say I dey curse una, but I believe that the law of Karma works. One day, you guys will also be called liars when you tell your life stories and you will not understand. Not knowing that you did it to someone
    2. I don’t think you know that pre-eclampsia gets very little awareness in this part of the world. I also don’t think she is saying it to get your sympathy or feel special. Given that she doesn’t know you guys, I doubt she gives two eggs what you think. She is raising awareness and if more women would come out and tell their stories, more lives would be saved. Why does it bother you that she’s telling her story when you could just have decided not to read the article? Indeed, common sense is not for common fellows.
    From your unnecessary malice and spite, it seems to me that you are among those trolls who are always begging Tiwa to show her son’s face and then when she doesn’t, you throw tantrums. Pele my darlings. Don’t worry. You will get over it. But if you’re going to be vile, at least have the decency not to sound as stupid as you do right now.

    • Idomagirl

      November 17, 2015 at 4:31 am

      Thank you o!!!!

  13. L

    November 16, 2015 at 9:43 pm

    WOW! You all posting negative comments have such bitter hearts and are jealous really?! So what if it’s common? Is it not her first child has she experienced this before? Y’all are some evil hearted people. I’m so in shock. Even the one saying she had kids before. Smh! Shame on you all

    • Dufz

      November 16, 2015 at 10:01 pm

      exactly!!! its that one that shocked me the most! ive seen foolishness on these page…smh bella naija please post my comment, thanks

  14. Dufz

    November 16, 2015 at 9:55 pm

    i was just about to reply to Tee and Lilo about how shallow their statements were until i saw yours madam Esohe- you take the award. Will you not go and thank God for your safe delivery(s) before u open ur mouth to spew nonsense??? pre-eclampsia is deadly! i just lost a friend to it. That u had safe delivery is by the grace of God. Let her tell people what she wants; you must not comment

  15. Tee

    November 16, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    Olodo.So stating the obvious has become cyber bullying?Did u just learn that word?get the meaning right first then come back and make some sense.
    And why would I want to tell my story?for what exactly.You talking like everyone has to take their turn to grant Genevieve magazine interview.lol
    And if at all I have to,I’ll choose my words carefully,not exaggerate to gain public sympathy or for public to see me as some superwoman of some sort.i have two kids both by CS.I almost died after childbirth due to blah blah blah blah blah but guess what?my story is not peculiar.

    • Fani

      November 16, 2015 at 10:58 pm

      @ Tee, everyone’s story is special . that you choose not to share your’s is your business, you have no right to say she’s exaggerating because you don’t know that for a fact. Abeg are you her Doctor? do you know exactly what she went through? so who are you to say she’s exaggerating? if you choose not to share your stories to bless God and also educate other women and increase awareness about a condition then that is your business but just because something is not a big deal to you does not mean that it isn’t to her. This is the first time she’s talking about it for crying out loud plus a 100 people can have the same condition and have different experiences. Get off her case!

    • moimoi

      November 17, 2015 at 2:36 am

      From your replies, you sound like a self-centered person who has experinced little to no attention in the “basic human affection department” so you take out your jealousy and bitterness on a faceless and anonymous forum. Congrats on growing the balls/liver to spew out such crap online. well done. chop knuckle. Your have made your point, declared your opinion and in your mind expressed you right to talk/type/think/exist.
      I probably will be insulted in return but then again I WONT be suprised….please dont suprise me o!! I can guarantee you i will chuckle in amusement when you do. Take care of your kids o!!!

    • Nana

      November 17, 2015 at 3:30 am

      Fine! we agree with you, your story is not peculiar. “You almost died, blah, blah, blah…nothing special” It’s obvious that you don’t value yourself or your loved ones. I’m sure you’d be pleased to know that if you died, you’d be one of the dead…nothing special.

      We all feel and handle things differently. She’s a first time mother, why wouldn’t you let her feel and express what she wants? If you feel your life or story is worthless, you guessed right! Your story is worthless! Who the heck are you? We don’t know you so please keep it to yourself. After all, you’re just another human out of the 7 billion that occupy this earth. You’ll be forgotten easily like the rest. Apathetic olodo!

    • ty

      November 17, 2015 at 7:42 pm

      @Tee you sure not a happy married woman. you ooze bitterness and ready to frustrate who dont care to listen. your type should be ignored but im going to leave this here for you. pray for a smile today maybe, just maybe you may have something nice to say in the future. i pray never to meet someone like you. the women world doesn’t deserve someone like you. #showsupport #womenstandbywomen #strongwomen

  16. Cynical

    November 16, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    Hmmmm……No doctor would have allowed her to be doing all that waka waka and dancing with preeclampsia. But hey what do I know,maybe hers was a ‘special’ case.

  17. Temi

    November 16, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    All you fools hating….how can u hate someone dat has done nothing wrong to u….she granted an interview and talked abt her experience and not urs….thats why wen people go mad for no reason, it’s cases like this…sow evil comments and thoughts,u will reap failure for the rest of ur hating life…cos no good comes out from an evil mind…

  18. Isha

    November 17, 2015 at 12:03 am

    Actually being active helps ppl that have mild preeclamsia. Thank God for your individual birth stories but don’t knock pals experiences. We are all different and we have diff bodies.

  19. jide

    November 17, 2015 at 1:38 am

    Smh. Tiwa and drama. Wa wa okay. Always faking ish just to be in the news. Oshi ati iranu.

  20. Someonecute

    November 17, 2015 at 1:41 am

    U guys should just chill out abeg. No one will be fair to judge her statement or decision to speak out based on this little article. Until you read the full story, so pls grab your copy as per BN. She battled with preeclampsia could mean she overcame it at some point, her pregnancy story could also be normal stuffs women go through. This preeclampsia could have been taken out of context or maybe not. You know how headlines are. Read the interview. And please let’s criticize wisely and constructively. No need to call people names. One day, someone will call her mother an idiot on this thread. Our retired moms are everywhere on social media now . #justsaying

  21. Julie

    November 17, 2015 at 4:29 am

    What makes me sad the most is most of the negative comments are from women. This woman had a story to tell and she told it. No one and I mean no one forced you to read this article. If you don’t know what preeclamsia is google it before making stupid comments. preeclampsia Is different from eclampsia. If her doctor caught it early there was nothing wrong with Tiwa performing all up and down Africa , America, Europe, your mama house or hell for that matter. No one in this comment section hasn’t even read the interview to see what she had to say about it but we are all Worked up about a title. The lack of love and sympathy we have for each other in this world is just sad. And I don’t know what Tiwa personally did to you but please forgive and forget ( clearly she has) may God help us all.

  22. Somtoo

    November 17, 2015 at 8:17 am

    Can you imagine the kinda self hatred you are spewing? Oh my. who said you are not special? Darling you almost died! Your story is peculiar. You deserve to be celebrated because God favored you and spared your life. You deserve to be celebrated because you saw death and lived and now you have the strength to raise your children.

    Above all, You deserve to be celebrated cos you are a woman. Use every forum presented to you and announce to the world that you had a horrible time birthing your baby and you lived through it therefore you are encouraging women to step into delivery rooms and fight for their lives and the lives of their babies.

    A friend lost his sister during childbirth, He is living with the grief till date. It is a horrible thing. If Tiwa wants to capitalize on her stardom to educate women, please let her do so since you clearly dont want to leverage on your experiences to empower others.

    Dear Tee, you are special.

    • Tee

      November 17, 2015 at 9:45 am

      Thanks Somtoo.That was nice of u.
      I apologise if my comments came across as self centred towards Tiwa.I don’t hate her.I,ve never Bn a fan from day one (I guess I have the right to choose d celebs I love abi?Waje number one lol) Maybe she’s not exaggerating,the headlines could have Bn twisted .I agree everyone’s story is special.I take a look Bo to mine 4 years ago and I know I also survived it thru a Gods divine intervention.I guess I have forgotten so quickly.Giving birth is between life and death.So if one is alive to tell her story today makes that person special.
      To everone who took my comment out of context….I’m sorry.

    • Tee

      November 17, 2015 at 9:46 am

      Pls ignore the typo.Iphone ish

    • Somtoo

      November 17, 2015 at 10:53 am

      Oh dear. That apology was beautiful. Hope Tiwa reads it. I am so glad you remember what God did for you. Alas its very easy to forget His mercies. We all do that sometimes.
      Wish you the very best. Stay strong

    • Rolly

      November 17, 2015 at 11:00 am

      Lmao you must be joking. So because someone called you “special”, you suddenly realised you were totally out of order? Basically you were just seeking attention & validation?
      Of course some people will fall for this “apology” and forget the disgusting comments that you flooded this post with smh…how patronising.
      This is easily one of the worst comments section I’ve read in ages & as a woman, I am so ashamed and even upset. We need to do better.

  23. Iphy

    November 17, 2015 at 9:58 am

    The number of hateful comments is unbelievable. Ties just wants to tell her story and Genevieve magazine thinks it’s a story worth telling. IF you have a problem with it don’t buy the mag. No one should trivialize anyone’s child birth experience. I had preeclampsia myself and I wasn’t diagnosed until 32 weeks and I had to be induced at 37 weeks. I had no symptoms other than protein in my urine. And I was lucky. For others it’s different and quite a number of people actually die. To the mother of 4 – because you had easy pregnancies and had all your babies early DO NOT criticize others who aren’t as fortunate, after all life isn’t a competition. God has different plans for us all. To the mother that almost died from CS – thank God you didn’t. I know someone who died from her third CS and another who is about to have her 4th. So be grateful and stop hating. Maybe if you had died someone might have told your story.

    These blessing we have whether obtained easily, after years of fasting and prayer or after spending millions. They are blessings so stop hating

  24. Mypiece

    November 17, 2015 at 10:03 am

    Kindly note you can have a smooth preggy period till the eleventh hour and preclampsia will rear its ugly head. For me no trace of it at all until last antenatal date and Bp was very high- very unusual as i never had high BP prior to that day , no sugar in urine etc and kept increasing till emergency CS was done. A friend’s preclampsia started right when water broke so its different stroke for different folks sure if she had it from onset she wont she cant even try going for show cos she will be hospitalised . Some cases are so terrible that they operate once the baby has developed major organs and can survive in the incubator.

  25. Mz Titilitious

    November 17, 2015 at 10:11 am

    hmmmm….jt reading comments ooo… some peeps be giving themselves headache on someone else’s ish….

  26. coke

    November 17, 2015 at 10:12 am

    And hows the baby doing anyway?
    we have said it times after times that your a fine chic, opening ya butt everywhere and feeling like Kim Isn’t going to make u more beautiful.

  27. Beeeee

    November 17, 2015 at 10:27 am

    and just like a fire extinguisher you doused the fire with your kind words. ….God bless you dear….it is indeed true that a kind word drives away anger. Enjoy the rest of your week

    • Beeeee

      November 17, 2015 at 10:28 am

      This comment was for Somtoo

  28. lolochifire

    November 17, 2015 at 10:50 am

    U guys can fight over nothing.
    What happened to ignoring other pple’s comments?
    Tiwa, I have sent my driver out 2 get d mag, let’s read & hear wat u hv 2 say 2 us.

  29. aleesha

    November 17, 2015 at 10:52 am

    Heyyyyy!!!!! Women oh!!!!!! why such cruelty???? If it were a man saying all of this, I’d ignore him, as he’s never even experienced period cramps, so how can he begin to understand pregnancy and motherhood?
    pregnancy is a very personal journey. Some women breeze through it, without the slightest discomfort, and then go on to deliver with ease. Some are not so fortunate. Their pregnancies are dogged by extreme morning sickness, threatened miscarriages, pre-eclampsia and gestational diabetes – I have a relative went through ALL of them with her two pregnancies- Some have different experiences with each pregnancy: one pregnancy is easy and straightforward, the next is life threatening.
    Complications can develop at any point in pregnancy. A woman might have been twerking and doing cartwheels one day, and a week later, she develops a life threatening condition. That is why you are required to attend antenatal clinics throughout pregnancy, to monitor your progress and make sure everything is fine.
    Someone I know had an easy pregnancy, and on the day of delivery, everything was going smoothly and she had even gotten an episiotomy, only for the baby to get stuck and emergency CS was required to deliver the baby. Imagine nursing both the Episiotomy and the CS cut, in addition to all the breastfeeding wahala that many first time moms have to deal with.
    My point is, we all experience motherhood differently. Be thankful if God makes it so, that you conceive with ease, your pregnancies and deliveries are hitch free. It certainly is not by your making, and most definitely does not make the next woman who is sleeping and spitting all over the place, lazy.

    Shaming another woman because she chose to share her negative experience is unkind, unnecessary, and unbecoming of a woman and a mother.

  30. sally

    November 17, 2015 at 11:26 am

    @aleesha…God bless u 4 d comment wish I could like it a zillion times!!!! Ds ppl 4got Tiwa s a celebrity wch is y hers became a cover story….God help us women!!!!

  31. Temitops

    November 17, 2015 at 11:29 am

    There’s so much Hate out there..
    FYI esohe n co…..
    I got married @ 27
    Had my first child @ 31
    $ The second @ 33
    How is that my fault????
    Please let’s be mindful of our utterances, as there’s someone out there going through “a phase” and the least He/She needs right now is someone that will make them feel bad.

    Let’s celebrate ourselves, our so called little success! Is someone else’s BIG VICTORY!!!

    I had an emergency CS for my Dota @ 37weeks, the anxiety I had 4 dos few hours before the process is better imagined.

    Dear Tiwa.. I feel u joor…

    Btw…..
    That was how I told my boss that I had to take my 6 month old to d hospital, cos she’s been stooling all day and all she culd tell me was “SO what’s the BIG DEAL”
    Imagine!!!
    Truth is Women!! Ehn we re our own worst enemy!

    Sorry bou d rants/typos

  32. Rolly

    November 17, 2015 at 11:34 am

    BN welldone. I called you out for approving certain comments like the ones from those hateful women like lilo and esohe & you didn’t post it.
    You two ladies are a disgrace to womanhood. No one cares about what you went through…tell it to your diary. How dare you call Tiwa a liar or claim she’s exaggerating because her story is different from yours. Spiteful arrogant clowns.

  33. Tari

    November 17, 2015 at 12:39 pm

    At least she covered part of her body.
    Making progress.

  34. Lotusflower

    November 17, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    Some of the comments here are absolutely disgusting. Even more disgusting are the comments from women who are bragging about having simple pregnancies and or 4 kids at the “right age”. Good for you, truly. But is it necessary to disrespect other women who may not have had smooth pregnancies? To those women (Esohe), did you give birth to aliens? Are your children not human? If you had daughters, don’t forget that they will one day try to get pregnant. If you had sons, their future wives will want to carry babies. No one is immune to fertility issues or pregnancy challenges. That you didn’t have issues does not mean that your children, friends, or family will not. Where is the compassion?
    Anyway, Esohe, you are vile person! Your poor children.

  35. Victoria

    November 17, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    Dunno about the article but this comment section is scaring the sh*t out of me as my sister is currently pregnant. God please grant her safe delivery… Amen.

  36. jide

    November 17, 2015 at 2:26 pm

    Every pregnancy is complciated one way or the other. Whether it’s too much farting or amnesia or high bloood sugar, it is all complicated. The point some of us are trying to make is Tiwa ain’t any different Abeg.

  37. Luvbogg

    November 18, 2015 at 9:30 am

    Everyone’s pregnancy is different in short every pregnancy is, for some its not so easy, it’s harsh to shush people when they talk about having difficulty during pregnancy or childbirth. I recently lost someone to postpartum preeclampsia because it wasnt diagnosed early enough. So yes it is a serious condition.

  38. prince

    November 18, 2015 at 3:28 pm

    People can so hate unnecessarily. all those haters lite Tee & sugar. How does her life becomes your cup of tea. Why open the page in the first place, can you just scroll down. awon oloriburuku

  39. sam

    December 5, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    hy….. wats really happening with everyone here???someone’s else matter has cause argument and insult(Nigerians will always be Nigerians)…I don’t know why some pple are abusing odas….. its a free world…must u reply a person saying his or her view??
    God help us

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